Should Trump be indicted for illegal exercise of Medicine?

The biggest problem is what I call “magic wand thinking” and it ALWAYS starts with “why can’t they……” and ends with some humanly impossible feat. This is an absolute example of that “why can’t we just use a pill”? And no matter how many times you tell them there is no magic pill they are convinced that it is possible.

 

I think we're misunderstanding eachother... it seems to me that dexamethasone is one of many drugs that is effective at treating covid, and were suppressed by the corporate media so the pharma corps could protect their emergency authorization status that is predicated upon there not being any approved

They did, long enough to protect their vaccine. No one cares now. Even the most basic and known beneficial nutrients like vitC/D, zinc were demonized and 'debunked' in the news and people were banned from social media because they were suggesting something outside 'WHO guidelines.' Dexamethazone was known to be an effective treatment for covid, in the right circumstances, early on in the pandemic. But saying so, then, was 'disinformation' and 'killing people.' The vaccine is internationally accepted now and the profits from it are secure, so the campaign to suppress alternatives is unecessary.

 

Was it 'in all protocols' in July 2020 when Dr. Richard Bartlett was banned from youtube/facebook/twitter for claiming success in treating his covid patients with it?

 

Whole lot of "doctors" out there that need to be indicted for the legal "exercise" of medicine....one beauty of the discipline is one can often bury one's mistakes.

 

Conspiracy theorists will always find a way to distort facts presented to them and fight back. Why am I not surprised?
"They" did this and that... the hallmark of a conspiracy theory.
FYI, no, it wasn't known from the beginning. It took the end of the RECOVERY trial (the acronym stands for Randomized Evaluation of Covid-19 Therapy) on dexamethasone to establish it. The data on dexamethasone went to pre-print on June 22, 2020.
I couldn't care less for what was "demonized and debunked" in "the news." I don't practice Medicine based on "the news" and neither do my colleagues who actually know what they are doing. The ONLY thing that counts, is a randomized controlled trial like the RECOVERY trial by Oxford University, published in a reputable journal (this one went to the New England Journal of Medicine) and its conclusion on dexamethasone was only in on June 22, 2020.

 

They do get "indicted" by the State Board of Medical Examiners. The joke is cute but the mistakes do stick out in this highly scrutinized field.
Of course you all only hear about the poor bastard who operated on the wrong kidney. You don't hear about the 1,000 surgeons who operate on the correct kidney. That doesn't sell newspapers.

 

Referencing hydroxychloroquine is not practicing medicine, it's not even advising it's referencing.

This is pretty weak.

 

Yep. Like I said, the RECOVERY trial establishing with no doubt that Dexamethasone is helpful, was officially diffused on June 22, 2020 (a couple of leaks, as shown below, happened even before it was officially accepted by the NEJM). If YouTube/Facebook/Twitter do not read the medical literature (unsurprisingly) it's hardly the fault of the scientific community, is it? When the RECOVERY trial was concluded, hundreds of lay press newspapers touted the conclusion and called dexamethasone a miracle drug. But hey, for conspiracy theorists, no FACT will ever deter them, right? So, I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time. But I'll oblige anyway; look at the date on this article (a simple google search will show you dozens of others):

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

Huh... June 16th, 2020! Even a few days before the results went to the scientific journal. The Brits were already celebrating and stockpiling, by then:

Oh, and look how cute! The link even has the reproduction of... a twitter notification!!!
So, come again? "The News"... "They" tried to suppress the info on dexamethasone???
LOL, fortunately it is so easy to debunk conspiracy theories... not that it makes any difference in convincing the conspirators.
So, modernpaladin will come back with some other distortion in 3... 2... 1... go!

 

I didn't blame the scientific community. I cited one of many doctors who was banned from social media and demonized in corporate media for promoting a covid treatment that was proven to be successful by the scientific community. And I theorize that this was because pharmaceutical corporations didn't want any FDA approved products, especially cheap ones, jeopardizing the emergency authorization of their very lucrative but non-approved vaccines. I think the distortion is in your head here... maybe go back and read what I've actually wrote to check and see if it lines up with what you feel like I wrote.

 

Could you please post in English? Trump talked about a Covid treatment that was already being done in several countries. What's wrong with that?

 

The post was a bunch of gibberish. Trump talked about a treatment that was already being done in several countries. So what?

 

People sure are hard up to put Trump in jail, lol.

 

This is either stupidity or political trolling (or potentially both).

Trump say plenty of speculative, misleading and outright false things about COVID treatments (among many, many other subjects) but in no way was he trying to practice medicine. Anyone who treated what he said as formal medical advice would only have themselves to blame of the consequences (not the mention that most of the treatments he talked about would have to be proscribed or provided by actual medical professionals anyway). All sorts of non-medical people will have made similar statements, public and private, about their opinions of COVID prevention and treatment (including me and probably you) so if Trump was practicing medicine without a licence in this context, so were the rest of us. I've no doubt exactly the same applies to Bolsonaro.

 

Or more likely the fair doctor was banned for suggesting that inhaled steroids was a cure for Covid?

Look:

In July, 2020 a 30-minute YouTube interview featured Texas physician Dr. Richard Bartlett, who claimed to have found a cure for COVID-19.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/v...d-19/285-ae945152-0ae7-400f-8470-eba13436164e

““The silver bullet is inhaled steroids....you use a nebulizer machine. It’s an asthma medicine. It’s a respiratory anti-inflammatory for COVID, which is a respiratory inflammatory disease and it works. 100% of my patients are alive,” Bartlett said.

The perfect example of quackery that @CenterField was talking about earlier: "All my patients are alive so it must work!"

 

Was he banned for promoting a treatment that was proven successful or was be banned for claiming to have discovered a guaranteed cure and accusing all sorts of other individuals and organisations of fraud and cover-up?

 

All that you are saying above is ALSO a conspiracy theory. By the way, you pretended that "the Media" didn't want to publicize Dexamethasone for Covid-19 when there are dozens and dozens of venues that heralded it as soon as the Oxford folks came up with it, even a few days before the official publication, which shows that you are wrong (but why am I not surprised that you won't acknowledge it?). I stand behind everything I said, and I'm right and you're wrong. Have a nice day.

 

1. I'm not stupid
2. I'm not a troll
3. I'm not a non-medical person

Yes, I do think that when the freaking president (and one with such a passionate following) dispenses medical advice with no qualifications, it's wrong and it has real life consequences.

And no, it's not ridiculous, better proof, a country with a very similar Constitution is indicting their president for EXACTLY THE SAME THING!!!!

 

Biden says if you have the vaccine, you WILL NOT get COVID.

When are you pressing charges?

/thread

 

Oh, OK. There you go. I didn't know who this idiot Dr. Richard Bartlett was. Yes, seems like the charlatan did deserve his ban.

That's not how dexamethasone is used. It's an IV shot for the severe phase of the illness, and yes, it's life-saving. Using steroids for initial/mild disease actually can make everything worse by dampening the defenses that are trying to bring down viral replication and viral load.

And contrary to the conspiracy theorists' nonsense, there was no attempt to suppress dexamethasone once its benefits for Covid-19 were established in June 2020 by Oxford University. Dozens and dozens of journalistic venues heralded the breakthrough.

But conspiracy theorists try to make facts fit their crazy theories even when they don't. Arguing with them is useless.

 

When are you pressing charges against Biden?

 

Brazil can do as they please.

TO indict anyone for what you claim would mean you would have to indict anyone who told someone to take an aspirin for a headache.

 

Help us to understand the legal parameters of your position. Can you supply a quote from Trump illustrating what you are implying that might constitute him illegally practicing medicine?

 

Huh, no. Aspirin is an over-the-counter medication. HCQ is not.
You also have to consider who is issuing the advice. A president with a passionate following can have disastrous effects when he dispenses (wrong, to boot) medical advice. Some common Joe telling his friend to take aspirin doesn't even get close to this level of loaded consequences.

 

This thread is ridiculous I never cast a vote for Trump because he was a truly evil man, but you guys are overplaying your hand.

 

Why not? After 5 years of promises, you haven't managed to indict him on anything else.