Simple question....

Ok, I'm not going to quote that because it's so damn long. Cutting to the chase:

The unborn cannot speak for themselves - they cannot tell you whether or not they want to be born, we don't know, so you can't just assume that and say "ok kill it". The longer the fetus is in there the more like a developed human it begins to act - there is no specific point, I think, where it becomes a "person" - technically, you're not a completely developed human until you're almost 25.

I'm not against abortion, but I tend to not be too enthusiastic about it. Spin it any way you want, you're killing a person. It may not be developed to consciousness, it may not feel almost anything or think anything, but it is human, and you are killing it. That's why I understand anti-abortion people. I just don't think it's right to tell someone they MUST have a child they never wanted to have (it's important to keep in mind of the fact it wasn't supposed to exist in the first place).

 

"(3) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)"

You could quote a part like that, and then say:

The unborn cannot speak for themselves—nor the raped by Black Stone Idolaters as war booty under the legality of the Satan Verses of the false prophet MoHamMad.

 

Your comments were well thought out until you added the above comment. That is your opinion but not the legal opinion. The 3rrd trimester fetus is protected except in the case of the health of the mother. The law recognizes that it is still a woman's choice no matter how much people want to spin the definition of "fetus".

 

I still support abortion you know. But I still think, technically, a fetus is human. I'm not sure how you can't say it is - genetically, it's 100% human, it just hasn't been alive long enough to be fully developed.

 

Thank you for kind replies.

I have no desire to harm an insect and much less the life of another being.

I am hesitant to say this because I know there exists a horde anxiously waiting to scream insanity at anything unfamiliar.
But since I am already lower that whale dung, what have I got to lose?

I have memories of events from before I was 4 years old. I believe they are of actual events because I could not possibly have had the experience at that age to create such ideas. For me, before I was 4 years of age I had access to another existence.
I was free to roam between life in this world and someplace else. I preferred the someplace else. But sometime before the age of 4, I remember being told I could not come back to the someplace else. I know it was before the age of 4, because on my fourth Birthday party I recall looking at my little brother with envy. He would have only been 1 year old at that time. I envied him because I knew in my mind, without any doubt, that he was still able to access the other place.

I know for fact that there are exceptionally creative folks at this site.
Can any of you just for a moment imagine being a new soul faced with the possibility of being born into........maybe I've said too much already.

Thank you for your time.

 

I will be just fine with Abortion the minute the unborn are given the same due process rights as the rest of us.

 

The legal definition starts when a independent, breathing individual exists. Yes, technically a fetus is a stage in being human just as prepubescent is a stage. You can point out characteristics of a fetus and you can point out law statures about double murder but none of that changes the meaning of fetus. Anti-abortion people may want to change the meaning but it still is: An unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception. Synonyms: foetus - embryo - germ. People want to give the unborn rights that do not exist in the law. They can not use them to ban abortion until the legal system recognizes them.

I thought that we were talking about whether it was a fetus or a child.

 

Not everyone needs to have a college degree. I think that if it's privatised costs will go down, then intelligent people can take loans and study there; it will pay off. that's what I want, maybe vouchers.

That conservative you talked to seems to be an idiot. He doesn't represent conservatism.

No, not really. Some might say it's because of laziness but most will point to government interference in many ways which makes it much harder for them to get jobs.

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if the law says cows have wings does it make it true?

This is a moral question, the law has nothing to do with it.

 

Thank you for reply

There was a previous post on this thread where someone mentioned education system in European countries.
Am sure you are familiar with them.

From my uneducated view, Capitalism seems to work well but is too easily corrupted.
Like all children, they play together fine as long as you keep an eye on them.

So why do you think privatizing education would be the better method?

 

That is the problem with the left is that they really think of people as helpless. They can't make anything of themselves without the government doing it for them. Very few people are really helpless and the ones that are truly should be helped. The ones that fall on bad luck should have help also but cradle to grave?

Anther thing don't let the left fool you into thinking you can't be a republican and be for abortions. There are many on the left against abortions also but they don't want you to know that. Progressive are battling the liberals all the time over topics. Just because I one or two topics doesn't mean you can't be a republican. Better yet be independent and sit back and watch both of these parties give up things they believe in just to save their party.

 

Actually it does seem like nothing more than entertainment.
Sometimes I wonder what drastic measure will be required to affect any change at all.

 

Indeed, pure unrestrained capitalism can and will get corrupted, and that's why there needs to be laws and regulations. The free market is, after all, not anarchy.

Because market forces will increase the supply and quality, while pushing down costs, as with almost everything else. I don't know if I'm for 100% privatization though

 

Example....The Trusts, the recession of the 1890's, and Teddy Roosevelt[/QUOTE]

 

I tend to vote on issues not for parties. These loyalist to either party lose pieces of themselves just to defend when their party does something wrong. Like the Dems trying to fight for NDAA. It's a complete civil liberty violate but because Obama signed it they are so for it. It's the greatest thing ever. Even when the ACLU has even stated that its a violation they have to fight the ACLU just to make Obama look good.

Don't pick a side. Just pick what's important to you. That way you won't have to sell your soul to either party and you can see things more clearly. You won't be blinded by Hippocrates.

 

Made my day.

 

Thank you for reply.

Okay I understand that part. But I get the impression from the news that the conservatives want less rules and regulations.
Are not the economic problems caused by not having enough rules?

 

There needs to be laws, but they have to be simple and fair. Current laws are messy and there are some that are counter productive. There needs to be a cleaning up of laws.

 

Most if the laws are made to help the larger companies. They can afford to comply to crazy rules and regs. The smaller ones like I have can't afford all the lawyers and accountants and workers just to keep up with the loads of paper work they put on us. Take the tax code for example. A large company can afford to have CPAs on payroll or tax attorneys. I on the other hand just wing it and hope for the best. They can even afford to take a loss when it comes to implementing new regs. Their willing to take a loss if it means I will go out of business. Also these large companies came buy people like Obama and Boehner. Like monsanto bought Obama

 

If they had a legal basis to declare that cows had wings, I would look at their reasoning before I accept it or don't accept it. Too many people are against things because they do not like it. I am not one of those but most anti-abortion folks are.

So you believe that your morals mean more than the law. I guess that we have come full circle on this issue. See, I don't want someone's morals to dictate someone else's rights.

 

Can you point out these people. We all would like to have a talk with them. But wouldn't they be right wingers? Aren't they blaming every poor person is lazy and dumb?

Anther thing don't let the left fool you into thinking you can't be a republican and be for abortions.

Can you point out the people who said that? I would like to talk to them.

There are many on the left against abortions also but they don't want you to know that.

Can you point out the people who say that all left leaning people are pro-choice?

Progressive are battling the liberals all the time over topics.

Well, finally, I just say that I disagree with you. Do you know of a difference between the ones called "progressive" and the ones called "liberals" today. We certainly do not share one mind and we can argue among ourselves. I just do not understand who you think are battling all the time.

Maybe disagreements between like-minded people is a novel thing to the "Borg" right.

 

Really? The left dont even think people can get their own cell phone with out your help or even that a person can live without one. They are so helpless they need us. Ohh it make you feel so good to help right? This is just cell phones

 

Liberals have been bashing Obama lately as well and this really gets under y'all skin. You can't say anything bad about Obama without the claws coming out.

 

You live, You learn, You love, You do the best you can.....and then you die.

Same as everyone else.

 

Does lying improve you argument? Are you even concern about the safety of children? That was the main reason, people wanted phones for the poor - to check on one another and to be able to dial for help in emergencies. "The marketplace" has competed with more bells and whistles to provide the service.

 

You really have a misunderstanding of the word "liberal". Not everyone left of center is a liberal. I am a liberal and I have questioned some of his actions. But I do not "bash" him. Why would I want anyone right of him to replace him?

It must be right wing thinking that "bashing" is good. Correcting problems is good. Bashing doesn't fix anything. If you see people on the left "bashing" Obama, they are generally moderates or a little right of center. We do have "Ivory Tower" liberals who consider themselves "purist" and bash anything not appropriate to their world. Being from the right world, you should be able to relate to them.