Six HIV patients die after church tells them to stop taking meds

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...led-god-report-article-1.983069#ixzz1f2siSBpV

Only religion.

Anyway, this molecule is more useful than god in treating HIV.


Why doesn't god cure HIV?

 

Obviously churches that are not Bible believing nor followers of the teachings of Jesus. For them to consider they are a Christian Church is beyond the pale.

Read the Book, discover why God doesn't cure HIV...

 

No True Scotsman.

 

Oh look, another, "I am better than you, nanner, nanner, nanner!" thread from atheists.

News flash - most Christians are appalled by this as well.

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2011-02.html

We are by that one too. Funny how atheists seek out the religious to call them stupid?

Why do you guys hate religious people so much? Why not a good hard critical, objective, rational look at that question?

 

Ah, religion.

 

Ah, subjective castigation and blame.

Atheism.

 

I wouldn't call myself an atheist but i believe that irrationality and dogma suck ass as indicated in this case.

 

You mean like the dogma of generalization and castigation?

Over a billion Christians are all like this are we?

And the Darwin Awards? What causes that stupidity?

Oh right, stupid people are only stupid people when atheists can castigate and blame religion for them being stupid. Everyone else is allowed to make mistakes, allowed to be irrational and humanly stupid, but atheists HAVE to troll to find the stupid religious people so they can say ... "See how stupid that is!"

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/yet-another-example-of-dumb-atheist-scientists/

What!?!

An atheist who rejected a sceintific finding because it confirmed a pattern as seen in Islamic depictions and thought previously to be impossible ... without looking at the documetation and, even after the finding wins the Nobel Peace Prize, still won't acknowledge it?

Now that is stupid!

I guess all atheists are that stupid then?

 

No just the dogma of not taking your HIV meds because you think a man in the sky will cure you. Is that not dogma?

By the way, "generalization" isn't a dogma. It's just... generalizing.

It's one thing to be irrational and stupid. Everyone does it. But it's another thing to be proud of it.

 

Well, lets start with a definition shall we?

Dogma:

1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.
3. A principle or belief or a group of them.

So, can you point to our doctrine, dogma, which states that Jesus is going to come down and cure you on command? (Even if miracles do happen, most Christians do not interpret the doctrine to mean that we can wield God's powers at our whim - it doesn't work that way and our doctrine states as much).

Here is what the dogmatic Pop thinks on the subject - not mentioned anywhere by atheists - nor will it be.

"Only reconciliation with God can give us true healing, true life, because a life without love and without truth would not be a true life."

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=32047

Eh, how do you get from that to ... stop taking life saving medication? You don't, except by fundamentally misreading the doctrine.

And then we get to atheism. Officially, it has no doctrine. Now, does the constant prattle of athiets about ho screwed up religion is sound like it just might be an authoritive position from modern atheism?

http://www.atheists.org/religion

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Sam_Harris/Atheist_Manifesto.html

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Certainly seems that way does it not?

Or, at some point, do you think you will see an atheist acknowledge that this is the work of a fringe minority and that it clashes badly with the actual teachings of the faith?

Or, as the OP is not the first, will atheists continue to troll the AP looking to highlight the stupid among the religious? As Chris Hitchens does with History? Ignoring all else but what they can castigate religion for? Seems ... dogmatic, insult and deride at all costs, does it not?

Now, who exactly is the side, in this issue, who has embraced and enshrined, indeed venerates, stupidity and obtuse rationalization?

How many time would you have to see it before you acknowlegde it?

 

The dogma was that these people thought they would be cured by a divine power. It doesn't matter if it was written, spoken, or telepathically communicated. It's still dogma.

"An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. "

That said nothing about a specific doctrine, it is only a concept.

And I never said all Christians were stupid. If you'll read my post, I said that dogma and irrationality sucked ass. And some level of dogma is required in order to hold any absolute faith in anything not based solely on logic and reason.

Nothing is superior to logic and reason. Do you disagree?

 

#1 - they did spell out the specific doctrine - Christian. Why do you think I referrenced it? (Hello, or doctrine is the Bible, the Canon, etc.)

#2 - Perhaps you would seek to clarify this and its intent then?

#3 - Logic and reason, without compassion, wisdom and love is pointless.

Or do you think the other three are pointless? Not found in too many science books though ... are they?

 

That's very sad. I wonder if there is any way the leaders of this church who were involved can be charged with some form of homicide for doing this...

 

Confusing story. Charlatanry is a crime - specially if people are dying because of charlatanry. So why did no one arrest this criminals?

http://youtu.be/X-B36rPuaVo

P.S. Why is this story without any names or any informations what would make it possible to prove this story?

http://youtu.be/BxIuPEouEIM

 

I personally doubt about that Mr. Temitope Balogun Joshua - the founder of Scoan - is anything else than a criminal.

http://youtu.be/HYF8cUlbs3I

 

That church is more like the old school catholic church that preached that medicine is a sin and prayer is the only way to cure desease.

 

As far as I know never someone in the catholic church teached that medicine is a sin or prayer is the only way to cure desease.

http://youtu.be/WmxXwAgkhWQ

 

This was years ago. Centuries, from the early days of Christianity, to well into the 1600's.

The use of medicinal herbs was considered the same as witchcraft.

It's only been a 4 to 5 hundred years since the the catholic church began to consider medicine to be good.

 

The year 1914 is the statistical point where someone started to have better chances to survive if he visited a doctor. So what are you really speaking about?

Whatever - let me tell you a little story about the holy Severin of Noricum. The time is the decline of the roman empire and Severin managed day by day very serios problems between lots of different people and religions. One day a celt - a completly unimportant poor women - asked him to heal her son and he had answered in a typical way how we Christians unfortunatelly are often doing; he said to the pagan woman something like: "Give everything to the poor and god will look with grace on you". She heard this - then she thought a little while - took her clothes off and gave it to a beggar. Now she stood naked in front of him and said: "Please help my son - heal him!". He - Severin - was shocked and ashamed. Ashamed that this woman was so poor that everything what was her own was her clothing and ashamed that she showed such a deep faith. He tried to explain her that he himselve is not Jesus Christ but only a bishop of the catholic church. Neverthelless he gave her son for one year a home and started experiments with different forms of food - and really the situation of her son became better. He was not able to heal him but he was able to help him. And every time if I think about the mother I have some tears in my eyes because I'm able to feel her desperation as well as her deep faith and trust in him and god.

http://youtu.be/H8-JcB4Uvj8

 

Witchcraft? No one ever called Hildegard of Bingen a witch for example. Her medical research is famous until today.

http://youtu.be/lMxBpPcoWf0

 

Perhaps it has nothing to do with the christian religion. If someone covers with a page of the bible bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you will nevertheless get dirty feet if you'll step in.

http://youtu.be/GZwOcVGMB4c

 

Not being a Catholic myself nor a member of "that" church I would suggest that most Christians, including Catholics aire horrified by this example of miscreant teachings and actions. They can call themselves a Christian church but they are not by their words and their deeds. And we Christians are the first to speak up and out against such worldly ways pretending to use the Bible for their own ungodly acts.

I find it (un)comical that those that speak against the Christian faith citing examples such as "that" church do not speak against the Islamic faith that does not condemn the radical Islamic words and deeds. Is this the result of the secular world fearing or condoning such?

 

This particular sample of crass stupidity happens to be Christian flavored but religion is the underlying delusional system. Pointing at somebody else's indiscretions is no excuse.

 

I don't care what doctrine it is. Are you arguing that a belief in a divine cure is not fueled by dogma?

Wisdom is the epitome of logic and reason. Wisdom is logic and reason derived from real world experience.

And dogma is not a requirement for compassion and love. You have fused the two together but my contention is that compassion and love is only true compassion and love when fueled by your own beliefs. Compassion and love under the threat of burning in hell eternally are not true compassion and love.

So therefore, a compassionate non-believer is more compassionate than a believer. The non-believer is genuine, the believer is only following the rules of his teachings, usually under threat of eternal hell or something dumb like that.

 

I suggest that it is the secular world that is delusional based on their reliance that creation and man were the result of some cataclysmic event of unknown origins and the beginnings of life of some unknown [fill in the blank]. Now that takes faith or perhaps some egregious self-promotion of man being the highest authority and knowledge.