Six HIV patients die after church tells them to stop taking meds

Another appeal to authority.

Because in every single one of them, you make a delineation toward the religion, denomination, or doctrine that you are slamming in a very general way? That is happening?

Not only is it is an appeal to authority, it is once again at odds with the readily dispayed facts, and ends with yet another ad hominem.

Of course, the intent is not to malign others, it is a rational, objective investigation by a charlatan ... I mean atheist.

I AAAAAMMMM AN INNOCENT MAAAANNNN.

 

It's not odd, it's how religion evolves.

 

Christ, I would suggest referencing a fallacy before actually using it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

I am not the one projecting, you are unable to point to particular cases and instead choose to post an entire thread. Intellectual honesty is important.

 

That doesn't make any sense either, because nowhere in that post did I generalize anything.

Not sure exactly what part you are referring to, but it doesn't really matter, as none of it was "bull". It's all there in black white. Not my problem you lack reading comprehension.

(And just to point out another one of your idiotic straw men, no where did I say your inability to comprehend had anything to do with being Christian.)

Oh, you mean like where I said, "the Christians referenced in the story"? That is very specific.

Your disgusting propensity to dishonestly twist everything everyone else says does not go unnoticed.

Oh look, there's that hypocrisy I mentioned (and humorous irony).

Nope, just you - due to your consistent trollish flamebait method of posting. What goes around comes around, and all that.

Don't know if you've noticed (shouldn't be difficult), but my demeanor toward you is different than toward almost everyone else. There's a very good reason for that. See, you treat everyone around here that doesn't agree with you like (*)(*)(*)(*), so I only give what you deserve.

(In other words, yes, it's entirely your fault - and no, it has nothing to do with the fact that you're Christian.)

Except that you cannot point out the weaknesses in my arguments. That is not to say that none of my arguments ever have any weaknesses, just that you have no idea how to respond to anyone but with logical fallacies (straw men, red herrings, ad homs, etc) and lies which don't actually address the arguments in the first place.

Absolutely.

 

Really? I have this on my hot buttons - use it ALOT while debating atheists - assuming they can come in and debate and not just smear. Most can't.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

There is also an element you can link there about constructing a logical arguement.

Most good arguements do not begin with arrogant assumptions that one person is somehow aware of common sense ... its even worse to begin an arguement with an easily disproved statement.

But then, that is the strength of most atheist arguements, so common, that I believe at this point that most atheists have no intent to debate - just malign others.

 

#1 - I quoted the entirety of the post I took issue with. For some reason you cannot figure out a direct quote?

Souonds like a logical reasoning problem to me, and you will note it isn't our religion causing such an egregious over sight on your point.

#2 - the weknesses in your arguementation have been specifically addressed.

a. Generalized comments from a biased sample fallacy.

b. Using highly prejorative statements like well those Christians, deliberately exaggerating the prelevance of the problem - just as would people referring to 'those black guys' in referrence to a problem.

c. The Churches position is not doctrineally correct.

Of course, no one has addressed the weaknesses in your arguementation? Or, as I have long stated, most atheists are blind to anything they do not wish to address - as most atheists are self worshippers, thus deluded into thinking their arguements are perfect - well, there are no weaknesses because the fallacious appeal to yoru own authority states so. Correct?

#3 - running around calling other people liars and stupid is elementary school, not science or rationalist.

As I just gave your friend, this is how to costruct a logical arguement.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html

Be all means, feel free to make ONE that is reevant to the topic at hand.

No one really wants to listen to ANOTHER atheist snivel and drool about his honor as if that is the point of debate.

I AAAAAMMMMM AN INNOCENT MAAAANNNN.

Try also:

Cry me a river.

We would much prefer you make a case - but sense you are apparently jerkishy agreeing with my assessment that this incident is from a fringe minority group that is doctrineally unsound ... well, what in Gods name are you argueing about?

Self worship at its finest.

 

You also failed to describe how exactly my post was an appeal to authority. Lets go back to square one.

 

Because the only thing you appeal to is your self. That is it. You back nothing with evidence and arguementation, you simply declare it so.

The authroity you appeal to is you. And you have no basis of expertise or lack of bias on this subject, indeed, much of what you write about the faith of others is childish, silly, and flat out wrong. You are the opposite of an expert or authority on religion.

So, what basis do you have to repeatedly make claims about something being one thing or the other .... based solely on your statement that it is?

Once again, try this:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html

If you cannot figure out how appealing to yourself is a fallcious appeal to authority, then you are not logically ahead of me, you are leagues behind me.

 

Christ this is amusing.

Reminds me of this.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/#comic

 

Oh look, absolutely irrelevant. Shock and suprise? Eh, that would be a lie.

The inability to acknowledge fault, error, or sin, and what is it that condemns us to hell?

Agh, the funny part is that he thinks hell is fake (but fears it) and find his life to be like a comic book!

 

Again, this is amusing.

 

There is a problem with that which you provided... I can't and do not believe in anything that states "wealthy" as describing a group supposedly supporters of God.

They are not suppose to belong together if I am remembering correctly...

 

Yep, you did. Then you claimed I made some generalization, even though the entirety of the post you quoted contained no such thing.

Indeed.

No, you've "addressed" (read: responded to) my statements, but not my arguments. I'll let you try and figure out what the difference is.

Nope. Why don't you point out specifically what generalization you believe I've made, so I can shoot it down directly.

There was nothing pejorative, you're just being dishonest again. I just specified that I was only speaking about a particular subset of Christians, namely those that are referred to in the article.

Ok, and I agree - hence my statement of "that does not mean that all Christians are".

So now you are generalizing, as always. I've addressed everything you've said, you just keep either ignoring it, or twisting it.

And I've also stated specifically that I was not claiming my arguments are always perfect. So there's another lie.

You lie, so call it whatever you wish. And making observations is at the very core of science.

Then perhaps you should read it.

Oh I have made a case. You've just polluted the discussion with your fallacies such that you can no longer see them. You can participate in intelligent civil discourse, I've seen it. We had a relatively cordial discussion in a thread on omniscience a while back. It lasted for a whole page or two. Unfortunately, such pleasantries must have been too painful for you and you quickly slipped back into your old habits. What a shame, it'd be nice if you could refrain from attacking everyone at every opportunity and just chat like an adult.

 

Oh look, another off topic rant about the so called honor of an atheist.

We are all waiting atuently for you to stop twisting words and phrases to impune other posters, and actually make a relevant comment.

Now, I beleive we ended with this, please feel free to acknowledge the pplain English and respond like an adult.

We are now arguing about your prescient honor in the face of ... well, we have no idea what you ar eargueing about proving, exactly as I stated up front - that this is a flame bait thread where childish atheists pay stupid games of generalization and even stupider games of denial and retributive insults under the guise of their innocence.

As I said, atheism is little more than see how great I am and how much everyone else sucks.

And atheists do like provong me correct for some reason.

 

Just my two cents:

If people are stupid enough to believe that you don't need drugs to manage your HIV, then they got what they deserved. Stupid people do stupid things. No matter how deep your faith in God, you should be smart enough to know that God hasn't cured you, and that you should listen to your doctors, not some dude preaching from a pulpit.

 

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

Check the mirror stud.

As a typical self worshipper, I am glad you think you are Lord and Judge of all.

Nice rational debate - everyone who disagrees with our hero is a lying, troll, who cannot read or write, and whom I hate!

Very scientific. Very objective and rational.

Now, the question you have onec again skipped out on because you cannot stand the reality that there are people with a different faith choice and it seeths deep down inside you that people will not worship you as God, should probably be addressed.

The resposes thus far to this simple question from our supposed champion of logic?

You are a pathological liar.

You are a troll.

Well mods, what do you think? I think atheists had no intention of ever debating this subject and the angry trolls of atheism are once again just baiting and maligning and showing the world how unemotional and rational they really are again.

Of course, even as they hurl invective, they are of course Bambi eyed victims.

 

Lots of Christians seem to say this, and I never understood it. Because I don't believe in your imaginary friend, somehow means that I worship myself? That doesn't even make any sense. You people (that's right, I said it) seem to miss the obvious choice - I don't worship anything or anyone.

Seriously?? Another gross generalization and straw man? I never said anything about anyone other than you.

You lie. You constantly respond in a trollish manner. You very clearly have a problem with reading comprehension. And I never said anything about writing or hating me, even in regard to you.

Yes, as I said, observation does fit this description.

Just more and more ridiculous fallacies.

Because you are incapable of forming a civil response that is not heavily laced with invection, derision, and abject lies and fallacies. So when one replies to you, it becomes an exhaustive cycle of correcting your bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I should know better by now, but your "arguments" are just vile and despicable - it's hard to let it go.

To all your lies and fallacies, yes.

And once more, just for clarification, I am referring to you specifically - not everyone who disagrees with me.

The discussion was fine, even including the atheists, until your posts ruined it, as they do in every thread you participate.

Nothing wrong with self-defense. You forget, I didn't start this nonsense, you did (again, specifically you). It's always you.

 

No the fact that every discussion I have ever had with you, or seen you engage in with a Christian, revolves around you calling them stupid, irrational, liars, and pathetic human beings is what marks you as a self worshipper.

Look how you deny self worship. YOU see YOURSELF as smarter than all those dumb people out there. "I don't worship anything!"

How about you demonstrate, using logic and reason, how atheism is not self worship - but that would require you to lay our a series of standards and doctrinal beliefs ... and guess what? Atheism does not have those - it is whatever the individual atheist wants to believe - isn't it? (As long as there is no God).

Now, other than a PERSONAL denial, why do you think professional theologians consider atheism to be self worship? Because they are just big meanies to YOU?

Do you see yoruself in your arguements? Others certainly do.

You are a liar:

That was addressed to a DIFFERENT poster. See how proof works!

I am glad that you are acknowledging the PERSONAL nature of your infatuation and singlemindedness toward me ... for no other reason than being a Christian?

See above. Seems like anyone who disagrees with your self worship is open to the xact same abuse you met out here. People notice you doing it, you do not. Funny how that works.

Funny that you ask this question:

Just more self worship where you declare yourself lord and arbiter. Hardly a shock.

Oh look at ad homiem and a hand wave dismissal of anything and everything. I mean calling posters pathological liars and trolls is supposed to engender civility is it?

How about YOU work on YOUR civility? Bambi.

As we can see, you are clearly lying - while calling others liars.

Yawm. More whiney victimization and failure to take responsibility for ones own actions. Narcissus meet Narcissus.

Eat your own words effusive whiner. People will stand up you.

Now about an actual response to simple question?

Four times he has been asked, and all we can get is a rambling ditrobe about how perfect he is and how flawed everyone else is ... but he is no self worshipper and clearly interested in debate.

Gotcha.

 

Discussions with you, yes, which I've already explained why. You treat everyone like crap, so I reciprocate. I do not do the same with everyone.

Not to mention, I've never called anyone on this forum stupid or a pathetic human being. Stop making (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

Now it makes even less sense.

I'm not even entirely sure what it means when you use it. The only way it makes sense to me is in the same context as God. As in, you worship God, but since I don't, I must worship myself in the same manner in which you worship God.

If that is how it is meant, then no, I certainly don't worship myself or anyone else. If that's not what it means, then please elaborate.

I see myself as smarter than some people, as I am sure you do as well - everyone does. I certainly do not believe I am smarter than everyone. In fact, there are a number of posters on this forum whom I would consider having higher intelligence than myself. Though I'll be perfectly honest, you're not on that list - and no, it has nothing to do with the fact that you're Christian.

WTF? This has nothing to do with intelligence. It's a simple statement of a fact of my beliefs (or lack of). I don't worship anyone or anything.

You're not helping your case for getting on that list.

I would have to understand exactly what that means first. It has not been clearly explained.

Exactly correct. The only universal commonality between all atheists is a lack of belief in gods. That's it. Anything beyond that is an individual characteristic which may be shared by some, but not all, atheists, and is not part of atheism itself.

Once more, you'll have to explain exactly what that means before I can answer.

I'm sure they do. I'm not worried.

When I said I was only talking about you, I was referring to the discussion in this thread. I thought that should have been obvious. In any case, it is now.

That being said however, I specifically told you that I only treat you the way you treat everyone else that does not agree with you. That applies to others as well, but more often than not, it's just you. I've told you before, if you treated other better, they would respond in kind and discussions would be much more calm and productive. And as I've already pointed out, it worked just fine for a page or two in an older thread, but you just couldn't keep it up. It's like you're allergic to being civil.

Much of the rest of your rant is based on this misunderstanding, so I'll skip some of it as it will also be address by the above.

Seriously?? And then you still throw a fit when I point out that you lack reading comprehension? I have already specifically told you that it has nothing to do with the fact that you are Christian.

Dismissal? I answered your question.

If I point out that someone is a liar or troll, then they already weren't being civil and it comes back to that whole "responding in kind" thing.

As we can now see, you were arguing based on a misunderstanding. So no, I didn't lie. I don't ever lie - it is a despicable act.

Oh, I am taking responsibility for my own actions. I am completely aware of my demeanor toward you, and have already acknowledged such. The important point that you're missing, is my reason for this demeanor, which I have clearly explained.

Ironic, considering this whole exchange is based on the fact that it is I who is standing up to you.

I've already responded to it.

LOL, there you go again. This has nothing to do with "everyone", just you.

Still doesn't make sense.

 

Yep, have direct quotes of you treating multiple posters like crap, and you still can't even spell out his thesis statement on the subject of the OP.

And of course, despite repeated quotation of him treated SEVERAL different posters EXACTLY the same way, this really just about my behavior ... which appears to be open season on flame bait and stupidity from you for the CRIME of standing up to your God - you.

Typical standard atheist internet bully, all mouth and bravery through the internet and considers his sharp tounge and ability to insult (but never actually debate) to be an asset rather than the liability it is.

I guess when you belong to the cult of yourself, modern atheism, you are blind to all but what you wish to see - and will use all your ... would be internet bully powers ... to attempt to bully people into silence through insults and justify it by saying ... it just that one guy!

And the four others previously quoted with you huring the EXACT same insults at them.

What link the five victims of your assinine behavior together? We are all Christians.

Athtards never learn. Nor, given the evidence, do they appear to want to seek truth - only their own designs.

 

Thank you for spectacularly proving all of my points for me.

 

I am waiting for you to make even one that s relevant to the subject.

6 times: spell out your thesis.

If your point was that you treat everyone who disagrees with you like crap? Well, the evidence provided speaks for itself. But YOU don't see it that way, despite the evidence of you doing this to multiple posters?

Well, that is because slef worship is not logical. Even the Greeks and Romans knew that.

Now, feel free to make a relevant point - if you can, and I seriously doubt it.

SPELL OUT YOUR THESIS!