Skinny Repeal Disaster

It's not behind a pay wall. You are just claiming that because it proves you wrong.

 

You must have clicked on the Washington compost to many times, I clicked on the link and no paywall

 

This is what I encounter so the onus is still on you to provide a non paywall restricted option.

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Thank you for proving that it is a paywall restricted site that violates PF rules.

 

Fine. 155 current nominations awaiting the Senate.


You have been proven wrong, as usual

 

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This is what I get on that link.

 

What about the 354 vacancies with no nominations.

 

What's the difference between 155 nominations waiting on the Senate and 500?

 

Five-Deferments Trump won't like American military heroes who get captured (or get even?) any more than he did before, but McCain just saved the Republican Party from itself and from trumpery.

Conservative commentator Eric Erickson:

 

Nonsense. It's just another example of how the fourth estate looks out for our interests and puts government, business and the rich and powerful under the microscope to let us know what they are up to.
No wonder they like to denigrate the free press.
Without the public awareness and backlash, the whole scam would have been swept under the rug and insurance companies would be hiking premiums to cover the 'list price' and make up any lost profits.
Free market mechanics in a capitalist system are incompatible with affordable healthcare.
You have two mutually exclusive and competing ideologies.
It's amazing how ignorantly selfish cons are about economics.
Penny wise and pound foolish.

 

CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 15 million more people would be uninsured under this legislation than under current law—primarily because the penalty for not having insurance would be eliminated.

Uncertainty Surrounding the Estimates
CBO and JCT have endeavored to develop budgetary estimates that are in the middle of the distribution of potential outcomes. Such estimates are inherently inexact because the ways in which federal agencies, states, insurers, employers, individuals, doctors, hospitals, and other affected parties would respond to the changes made by this legislation are all difficult to predict. In particular, predicting the overall effects of the myriad ways that states could implement waivers is especially difficult.

CBO and JCT’s projections under current law itself are also uncertain. For example, enrollment in the marketplaces under current law will probably be lower than was projected under the March 2016 baseline used in this analysis, which would tend to decrease the budgetary savings from this legislation. However, the average subsidy per enrollee under current law will probably be higher than was projected in March 2016, which would tend to increase the budgetary savings from this legislation.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849

In short, people will choose to self-insure because the totalitarian regime set up by Democrats to tax people who saved and planned into the stone age will be repealed. But, the CBO can't be sure because estimates of the effect of Obamacare were completely wrong.

Your post is on solid footing.

 

BZZZT Wrong!

You still have not provided a source as requested and secondly that does not account for the other 245 that your beloved BLOTUS has yet to nominate, right?

 

What's that got to with anything.
Your link is behind a pay wall,the glimpse I caught was 574 outstanding and 354 or thereabouts waiting for nominations.
If you post a proper link it would refute your argument,so I understand why you refuse to do so.

 

As someone who is both anti AHCA and anti ACA, this defeat is fine with me. I have said many, many times that healthcare legislation should be dropped entirely this year and let the ACA remain. Then next year take stock on where the ACA is proceed from there. Let's see next year if all these dire predictions of insurance companies exiting the ACA, the rise in premiums and deductibles take place. There has been a lot of dire predictions made on the ACA before which didn't happen.

Time to sit back, relax for the rest of the year and then take stock in March or so next year as to where this nation and the ACA stands. It has always been my hope that the two major parties can somehow come together and work on healthcare. One party can't go it alone. It is my opinion that eventually the ACA will die on its own accords as the Republicans won't allow any improvements or fixes and the Democrats won't allow for a newer bill to replace it even if the newer bill is better for all Americans.

By a newer bill, I'm not referring to the AHCA.

 

You posted nothing which refutes my post, I'll bet you did not even read the link I provided, which means you posted while being ignorant of the facts.

The epipen issue was a scam motivated by the govt linking so much health care to Medicaid/medicare. There are other epinephrine injectors which cost <$100.

 

it was a disaster because kids were running the show. Republicans yelled and screamed that democrats passed ACA in partisan fashion and here they are trying to pass a half-a$$ed, badly worked out 'skinny repeal' in partisan fashion. Isn't this the behavior of children? had this passed, who knows the mess it would've caused healthcare system and then what? republicans lose house and senate and democrats pass ACA part 2?

This is the behavior of kids, irresponsible kids. These senators should be adults and agree on a long lasting healthcare bill that both sides can support. Congressmen are not supposed to pass bills that only a few Americans support, it should be something most Americans support. We can criticize ACA but 50% of Americans support it and the republican bill was supported by 20% of americans? What are these congress people doing? they are there to pass laws representative of us, not BS special interests want.

Democrats made a mistake when they passed ACA in partisan fashion but republicans have to be the adults in the room, instead they are behaving like kids, irresponsible kids. Time for both sides to get together and agree on something tenable, long lasting.

 

Who knew health care was so complicated?



Everyone but the idiot that was selected to the presidency and those ignorant enough to believe him.

 

It's a spoon full taken out of the ocean.

Focusing on it is a useless waste of time

 

There has been no indication that the promised Trump®Care that is "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" is in the offing, and I would strongly advise Americans not to expect it anytime soon.

Will Republican choose to serve the nation by redressing the neglected needs of the ACA? Can the GOP find the will and the way not to deprive tens of millions of Americans of health insurance coverage,

Hyper-partisan Washington is not up to this challenge. As Gov. Malloy of Connecticut noted, Congress should work with state leaders:

“Republicans in the House and Senate must immediately stop this attack on healthcare and instead work with the nation’s governors – both Democrats and Republicans – to stabilize the market and make improvements to the current system that will benefit all Americans, rather than needlessly putting millions of lives at risk.”

Personally, I would hope that the ideological fanaticism would be replaced by a pragmatic approach that recognizes and follows the multiply-proven paradigm of inclusive, far more economical systems, but special interests that feed off the current plight and incorrigible dogmatists will prevent such progress in the near term.

 

Fundamental difference of opinion. Republicans generally don't care about people having health care (unless it threatens their seat) and their number one priority is more tax cuts for the rich. They would never support a health care plan that involved more people being covered because it requires higher taxes.

 

With this president? Not a chance. Today's tweet: "As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode ..." LOL, as if he never promised "repeal and replace" from day one over and over.

Pathological liar.

 

I wonder how many Trump®U alumni expect to be protected by Trump®Care that is "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!"

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It's not just the pharmaceutical industry, it's hospitals and doctors too. Hospitals charge insurance $100.00 for a bag of saline,$25.00 for a box of tissue, $15,000.00 for a bed for one night. Doctors charge between $55,000.00-$200,000.00 for an appendectomy, that takes 20 minutes. That's why insurance premiums and deductibles cost so much....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-an-appendectomy-reddit-user-posts-55000-bill/

 

The problem with fixing Obamacare is that the changes it needs are so integral to Obamacare that it won't even be Obamacare anymore. It's just a cost shifting scheme with a ton of new taxes and fines to to cover a small part of the handouts. There is nothing within the bill, or any change that I have seen to date that do anything to make care cheaper.

Giving away free stuff isn't not a responsible solution for every issue. It never works, and usually make a things more expensive in the long run.

 

The CBO also said that 22 million people would be getting their insurance on the exchanges in 2016.

The CBO is a useless sounding board that is long overdue for changes.