So, I Invited the Mormons into My Home to Talk...

Naw...There is One Triune God...if you believe there is more than one god, then you're not monotheistic. All believers in Jesus as one Divine Person of the Triune God, is a brother/sister in Christ. Otherwise, you are still a blessed child of God, but we don't share spiritual kinship in Christ.

Jesus was Jewish, not a New Age weirdo or a long-haired hippy freak (no matter how Hollywood usually portrays Him).

 

Jesus was fiction, but that doesn't change the fact that he was meant to be a hero for the Age of Pisces, just as Moses was a hero for the Age of Aries.

 

Well I suspected there had to be some justification for the church. Most interesting.

In the end it doesnt much matter to me whether we think of God as a personality for either way we still have our own journeys to attend to.

Well indeed, heaven isnt so much a paradise as a place of learning and ultimate awareness. Paradise, as much has hell, has no purpose as an eternal state of bliss or pain etc. It makes more sense for it to be a learning point.

Indeed, our lives are filled with blessed learning points for what else could be the point of the whole thing?

 

Well, frankly, I find the denial of the historical personage Jesus to demonstrate an anti-intellectual, uninformed, and silly perspective. So......

.....that's what I think.

 

Well, you just do that, then. Fact is that Jesus was a solar allegory who also happened to have many features in common with a certain fellow by the name of Eleazar ben Simon, who was, among other things, a zealot from Galilee who was betrayed and killed during the war against Rome.

Take 1 part Eleazar, combine with 1 part Mithras and one part Horus, and what do you get?

 

'kay. Now I see why you have the Jesse Ventura thing in your signature line. Enjoy.

 

I just tell them that I'm a Democrat and they go away.

 

Oh look, more Christian brow-beating There is no evidence for Jesus's existence. None. No one can cite anything apart from a couple of blurbs written by historians after the alleged person died, saying only what Christians at the time were saying about him. The rest is contradictory mythology, most of which was left out of the bible for being too wacky and blatantly contradictory with the gospels (which also contradict each other in many ways, but, meh!) to be canonised.

Wam and bam!

 

I'll try that next time.

 

Geez...a Wikipedia page article and an unattributed web page versus this guy: http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/faraday/Biography.php?ID=199

Which one is more credible...wow..that's a toughy.

 

As usual, you offer no substance. Now you want to use an argument from authority and ad hominem.

Let me help you out here:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Browbeating
brow·beat (broubt)
tr.v. brow·beat, brow·beat·en (-btn), brow·beat·ing, brow·beats
To intimidate or subjugate by an overbearing manner or domineering speech; bully. See Synonyms at intimidate.

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Of course the doubt as to whether Jesus really existed is unfounded and not worth refutation. No sane person can doubt that Jesus stands as founder behind the historical movement whose first distinct stage is represented by the Palestinian community.

Where is the substance? There is none. Just page after page of author after author saying ^ that ^ sort of thing.

 

You're entitled to believe hogwash. Go for it. I told you what I thought of it and you are proving my point.

Perhaps you should read some of the information. If you gave it half the time you give your crazy conspiracy theories, you'd be 100% better informed.

 

when they come by my house i light up a cigarette then answer the door..and they leave real fast

 

They don't like smoking? Should I have a Scotch in my hand, too?

 

Oh, do go on and post some of the "information" you feel is there. Any time. I'm telling you there is none there. It's just a bunch of idiots repeating the same brow-beating nonsense.

 

You only clicked on the 1st link....try the second link on the page.

 

Nooooo! If they see you a smokin' and a drinkin', they'll consider to an egregious sinner in need of some serious religious counseling to save your soul -- and it'll become their duty and mission to save you from hell.

Like I said, just tell them you're a Democrat. They know Democrats are hopeless pagans and worship only President Obama.

 

Plus me being an apostate Catholic....they'd probably move in. Thanks for the warning!

 

I've been all over it.


Occasionally people ask why there is no record of Jesus in Roman records. The answer is that there are no surviving Roman records but only highly parochial Roman historians who had little interest in the comings and goings of minor cults and were far more concerned about Emperors and Kings. Jesus made a very small splash while he was alive and there was no reason for Roman historians to notice him.

A guy who was running around raising the dead and walking on water only "made a very small splash" while he was alive? The first people to talk about this guy were a few purported apostles of his. You would expect news of this guy to be much more wide-spread than that, especially given his alleged miracles involving feeding thousands of people and, you know, rising from his grave after being executed in spectacular fashion and appearing to various groups of people before floating skyward.

The fact is that no one talked about him until these alleged apostles did. There are no earlier or contemporary records apart from the gospels and Paul's writings. It's also a fact that Jesus's alleged birth, ministry, death and resurrection all fit with astrological symbology and similar legends, such as those of Mithras and Hercules, which were of course older than those of Jesus. Here is your cross:



The sun is "crucified" at Winter Solstice, when it reaches its lowest point in the sky, and remains at that point for 3 days before ascending again, thus being "reborn" or "resurrected." Jesus was also born at Winter Solstice. The first time he (the sun) reached Spring Equinox, he encountered John the Baptist, which is also just after the sun is in the house of Aquarius the water bearer, and so he crosses the Eclipic and begins his ministry and his rise to power, just as the sun gains power over the cold and darkness of winter at that time. The second time through there was after his death and resurrection, when he "ascended into heaven" to reign until the end of the age.

At the time the Christ myth got started, the sun was just entering the Age fo Pisces. Pisces follows Aquarius in the normal course of the zodiac, but the "ages" are measured in reverse due to the earth's precession. It is measured at the time of Spring Equinox (the year used to begin at Equinox - you may recall that it was only much later when Rome moved the start of the year back to January for an entirely mundane reason), and it is precisely what the group The Fifth Dimension (speaking of hippies ) was singing about in their song Age of Aquarius. The Age of Pisces has lasted from around the start of the Christian Era until the present.

This was all "wisdom" back in ancient times. It's the sort of thing astrologers used to keep track of. It had its practical application as a calendar, of course, making time-keeping and agriculture possible. The wisest parts of it have since been left to astronomy, which of course rapidly grew beyond simply tracking the apparent motions of mysterious lights in the sky since those times, while the mythology of it - the constellations and their spiritual significance - survived as the horoscope kind of crap we still have with us today, and the allegories based on it, of which Jesus and his Gospel is a prime example, were either lost or, as with Christianity, separated from their astrological origins to carry on an existence of religious pseudo-history.

The story of Jesus is just that, and the character himself is no more real than Hercules or John Frum.

 

Yeah, right...

As I said, you're entitled to believe silly, anti-intellectual nonsense. Have at it. Just don't expect educated, intelligent people to take you seriously.

 

Uh...yeah...that was my reference with the hippy guy emoticon...too subtle?

 

You quote his lead-in to...

Oops, you somehow omit everything he said, without relevant comment. What he says is accurate, coherent, and fairly persuasive. If the best counter you have to it is to cut it out, and label it nonsense, this says a lot.

 

Thus...you see every single person who understands the things in our proven reality (as in empirical)....decides the religions make very little sense.

Great Job Makin' Jesus Proud.

 

You refuse to read the information I provide, yet accuse me of ignoring the link you've provided.. As I said, go ahead and post info you feel is there that I've missed. It's brow-beating, not information. It's just idiots echoing each other and acting superior.

 

'Kay...