Speaking for God - "The Unforgivable Sin"

According to the biblical fairy tale, blasphemy includes verbal disrespect to your human ruler as well as to the God character. The penalty is immediate death, usually by stoning or by getting eaten by bears in some cases.

 

I posted scripture - and your dictionary definition was fine. Nor did I "not believe" the scripture you posted. So what on God's green earth are you talking about.

You were the one that can't deal with the scripture that I was posted - in support of my claim - and so you have to make stuff up about me "demonization of the other" and engage in avoidance tactics and trying to project your flaws on to me.

Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

This desperate avoidance of what you obviously think are "bad thoughts" - although they are minor interpretation differences of scripture - is a symptoms of one who us under the influence of some sophisticated thought control ...

If the foundation on which ones faith is built - can not withstand such a minor threat -how strong is that foundation ?

In an Ironic twist - in a post where you accuse me of denying some scripture that you posted - something that never happened - something completely made up - scripture I posted previously is suitable .. Matt 7

Careful to read the passage closely. The meaning is clear. Having faith is fine - but it is putting the teachings of Jesus into practice that matter's.

There is a reason why the majority of Christianity rejects "Sola Fide" - "Salvation by Faith Alone".

One of the teachings that Jesus would like folks to follow is not talking smack against his Father ... blasphemy - and certainly not by putting words in the mouth of the Father - another form of blasphemy - the unforgivable kind according to my reading of the passage in question.

But hey, as stated .. the passage is not crystal clear - if you want to usurp the position of Jesus - and speak what you think is God's word through some spirit that you think might be the holy spirit - Go ahead

 

Well the bible is very iffy on rules about sex. I mean according to the bible, if a man rapes an unmarried girl, she isn't the victim, her father is, because her rapist "stole" her virginity, which is her father's property, and the punishing is being forced to marry the girl and never being allowed to divorce her, and paying her father twice the normal dowry.

 

God has spoke n already. You just haven't been listening. But you believe as you want. It is not my place to tell you what to believe.

 

Wow, mor proof of a loving god!

 

Methodist communion cups are a hilarious story. The American Christianity generally causing the Temperance Movement leading to the US Constitution's Prohibition amendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

Then Again, doesn't Christ always call out that murderers, liars, and drunkards. Murderers liars, and drunkards. How much inference must be made. Where did Europe get its beer culture? Its a universal Oktoberfest culture?

So anyway, and what to say about the rest. I'm so interested in Jane Austin in the First place, Pride and Prejudice and the delicious age of the Belles, besides, that everyone knows all these phrases by heart for so long, what, 500 years?
https://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/compraym.html

 

What false interpretation? The way I read it...you were trying to imply that an error in interpretation is somehow unforgivable. I disagreed.

I don't know much about speaking in tounges, except Its very rare and a person cant will themself to do it. If someone did it naturally Id probably think it was mental illness. I don't think I've heard it was actual heresy though.

Who is Judy and what is a rah rah service?
There are people who can't drink alcohol for health reasons, or have a history of alcoholism. There is no rule about how fermented the juice is. If you know of one show me.
Both wine and juice is usually offered.

For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself” (1 Corinthians 11:27–29).

 

You read incorrectly - and are on the wrong page. Having some false interpretation is one thing - claiming defacto "This is God's word" as if God sat down with you for tea the other day - is quite another.

Speaking in tongues is very common in fundamentalist denominations and almost a rite of passage in Pentecostal Churches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montanism

Judy is a modern day Montanist

 

I’m not on the wrong page but I Am very late in responding here . Im saying I wouldnt be at a place if the Beleifs were too far off from mine. Its As simple as that. Some I might see as blatanty wrong, others I just might not understand. Speaking in tongues Is something odd to me and if demanded as a rite of passage seems very wrong.
That Montanist guy sounded like a nut.

 

I agree he was a bit of a nut - and that form of Christianity was branded heretical back in the 2nd century.

Truth be told - it is branded as heresy today as well - although much more on the QT - if some Lutheran or Anglican Church goes full on Pentecostal (Speaking in Tongues) - there status withing that Demomination is revoked ... quiet excommunication of a sort.

Unfortunately - this Montanist revival dogma is quite popular in the US. Many on of the far religious right is of that ilk. Sarah Palin is a famous one. There are many others. A large number of Evangelical Churches practice this sport - though not - pure guess .. 50/50 ? its lots anyway. Even the one's who don't play the sport - are generally quite extreme.

A 2004 Pew survey identified that while 70.4% of Americans call themselves "Christian," Evangelicals only make up 26.3 percent of the population, while Catholics make up 22 percent and mainline Protestants make up 16 percent.

26.3% is a huge segment of the population. Consider that 61% vote ...Voting for Evangelicals is a religious duty. (take out 6% for the non eligible in the Evangelical stat). 20% (assuming 100% vote) / 61% = 1/3rd of the eligible voters who vote. 33% .. call it 90% that vote and we end up at 30% or even 25% of eligible voters who vote.

I also assumed they all vote the same way - (picking at my argument - most of them do vote Red though) but - what ever the figure is - its a big voting block. 25% gets you 50% of the way to a win.

 

One of my grandpas and I think an uncle or 2 were Lutheran ministers. Speaking in tongues was only brought up on Pentecost.
Id never heard about the Montanist movement specifically. Hopefully it won’t grow.
Politics and religion is never a good combination.

 

I have similar relatives .. more than one - and a grandpa - Missouri Synod - hence how I know about the Church that was kicked out.

Problems started when two different members got different - conflicting and contradictory - messages from the "Holy Spirit" - From God - on the same question.

The congregation split on two sides .. one of my relatives was responsible to go in and resolve the dispute.

Not sure if the movement is growing - but - as per previous post - it already constitutes roughly 20-25% as a voting block.

Most of these people are good folks in general - its just that they are easily led and have predictable voting pattern. Many though are Theocratic - have this belief that the Bible should inspire Law - or rather their particular Church leaders interpretation of the Bible - and all the dogma that goes with it .. should inspire Law.

This kind of thinking I don't like.

 

I am always amazed at the number of people who claim they know the mind of God with respect to issues that are grey.

Proverbs 23:20: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."
Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."

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Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill"

Hebrews 13:4: "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."

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I do notice what you mention above with some older folks but our Missouri Synod here isn't like that. The beliefs and more importantly practices of the people are more like what I wish conservative really was.
Idk, I see a wacky Bible interpretation and a nutty progressive idea the same. The only political experience I had with a church was in the opposite direction. The whole thing was progressive buzz words, phony kiss everyone's ass type rally. Trust me these people were easily led also.

 

The example was talking about one particular Church that went Pentecostal - so not any reflection on the Missouri Synod in general - in fact - the Synod "excommunicated" this particular Church.

People in general are easily led - but, in particular the religious right (Fundamentalist Evangelical and Pentecostal) - more so than most other groups.

 

Religious texts (and especially the bible) are rambling poorly written compilations of nonsense written by people who weren't especially knowledgeable even considering they lived in a time when people already knew very little. As a result, these texts usually can be read to say anything you want. And, if what you want is a following, then you need to make concrete interpretations.

 

Probably true of the bible, but the koran is supposed to be the actual word of god (afaik, I'm no expert) and therefore not susceptible to interpretation. Though quite how you end up with the Sunnis and the Shias and the other 12/13 sects remains a mystery.
The whole thing is an attempt at crowd control - and quite successful, too.

 

Religious text are often well written - and the people doing the writing were quite knowledgeable. What kind of knowledge are you referring to anyway ? not knowledgeable in what ?

Interpretation of these texts is another kettle of fish. Take the grape juice at the wedding example. We know that the writer was not referring to grape juice. The word "wine" to the people of that time means the same as to the people of our time "FUN" - which is why you server it at weddings... or "Sacred" which is why it is served at communion and use for other religious rituals of the day

These folks were quite knowledgeable in the effects of wine.

 

Well, most of them are supposed to have some sort of divine origin, of course none of them do. I don't think the most powerful interpretations were necessarily intended to control people, it's just that the ones that do exert the most control become the most powerful. Of course there are people like joel osteen who probably did go into it with the intention of controlling people. But, also, there is a reason why there are so many lawyers.

 

I have not read a single religious text that wasn't horribly written. When I say knowledgeable, I pretty much mean anything that word can mean. But, for example, no knowledge of cosmology, or biology, genetics or evolution. They didn't even really know that the earth wasn't flat.

 

IMO, the Bible is a beautifully written piece of literature. Most of the stories might be pure BS but all of them illustrate one or more of the real Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:11-28. The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. The committee that wrote the Bible did an excellent job in coming up with entertaining stories to do that. The point is that when you read any of the stories you should be able to tie it to one of the real Ten Commandments and explain if it shows the positive or negative consequences of obeying or disobeying a particular commandment. The stories themselves are irrelevant. A creative writer could write sci-fi or western stories to do the same thing.

Remember the line from 2 Maccabees 15:39 (CEB) = "Just as it is harmful to drink wine or water alone while wine mixed with water is delightful and produces joy, so also may the writing of this story delight the ears of those who encounter this work. The end."

 

I mean, on some level I guess it comes down to opinion, but the stories are all convoluted, simply written, very boring, contradictory, repetitive, in short, I can't think of any way in which you could say it is well written.

 

As I said, most of the stories are pure BS but that is not really the point. The point is how the writers tied all of the stories to one or more of the real Ten Commandments. That is what makes the whole thing well-written. For instance, which of the Ten Commandments does the story about the wise men bringing gift to baby Jesus illustrate? Which of the Ten Commandments does the Samson story illustrate and is it positive or negative? The story about Adam and Eve is about which commandment?

 

According to Islam, the only sin God doesn't forgive is idolatry or polytheism.

Note: I am an atheist.
... but that's far less sinful than worshiping other gods besides God.

 

Yeah... the chick who wrote 50 shades of grey could have done better.