Dismiss Notice
Thanks for being a member of our community. Please donate toward site expenses if you can.

Sports and Racial Stereotypes: Jeremy Lin Cracks the Door Open

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by northwinds, Apr 7, 2013.

Page 1 of 5
  1. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #1
  2. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    there is a huge difference between Jeremy Lin, Yao Ming, and Yi Jianlian.

    Lin has average basketball skills an his biggest Achilles heel is his turnovers.
     
    Alwayssa, Apr 7, 2013
    #2
  3. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    There are lots of black point guards with average basketball skills and turnover problems drafted into the NBA........
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #3
  4. JohnnyMo

    JohnnyMo Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    14,715
    Likes Received:
    262
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Why do you think that is??? Because they're black?
     
    JohnnyMo, Apr 7, 2013
    #4
  5. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,429
    Likes Received:
    17,419
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thats just a massive can of worms isn't it=) Maybe white people should demand equal representation in certain positions in the NBA and NFL. But then we'd be call racists for demanding something so absurd, like how there aren't enough black QBs or coaches. The door doesn't swing both ways.
     
    Pred, Apr 7, 2013
    #5
  6. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    LOL.....yep, lets have a "Rooney Rule" for white cornerbacks.....

    - - - Updated - - -


    Yep....you can be mediocre and black in the NFL or NBA....not so much for Whites and Asians......but the discrimination really begins much earlier and kicks in full-stride with college recruiting.
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #6
  7. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,697
    Likes Received:
    6,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I read this and all I could think of was wtf ? Dude got to go to one of the best schools in the world .... What more do you think anyone owes ?
     
    Oldyoungin, Apr 7, 2013
    #7
  8. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    He was California High School Player of the Year and led his team to a state championship......but was not offered a single basketball scholarship. I think he is saying that if he had dreadlocks and was named Don'tarius he would have gotten tons of offers......and he is right. And he is saying that, if he had dreads, he would have been drafted into the NBA with the accompanying multi-million dollar contract.....and he is right again. Its all very similar to the Wes Welker story......discrimination against white and asian players in favor of blacks is rampant. I'm glad Lin has brought this up because a White player would be run out of the league immediately......an Asian can get away with bringing it up.
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #8
  9. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Let me put it to you another way, Jeremy Lin can never be compared to John Stockton or Steve Nash.

    Jeremy Lin has the opportunity to play for Houston just as much as he had a chance to play with the Knicks. He will sink or swom on his own merit, not the color of his skin.
     
    Alwayssa, Apr 7, 2013
    #9
  10. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are lots of kids, white and black, that lead their teams to a state championship for their high school, but that doesn't mean they are right for a Division 1 full badketball schoarship. There are also some players who have come from lesser schools who have excelled in the NBA.

    It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with skill and the perception you can place you have the skill.
     
    Alwayssa, Apr 7, 2013
    #10
  11. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Well riddle me this......if Lin is good enought to play in the NBA why was he not drafted.....when tons of black kids get drafted in the first round and are complete busts. Why was the best wide receiver in the NFL over the past six years not even invited to the combine, drafted, and cut by the first team he tried to sign with. Are the millions upon millions the NBA and NFL spend in scouting a complete waste of money......are they that incompetent......or is their discrimination in favor of Don'Tarius with dreads?

    - - - Updated - - -

    So Jeremy Lin is good enough to play in the NBA......but wasn't good enough to get a basketball scholarship to a D-3 school somewhere......got it.....LOL
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #11
  12. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,697
    Likes Received:
    6,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What are you talking about ? Calvin Johnson was the lions first pick in the draft and is hands down the best wide receiver ... If linn was so awesome he should have shredded at Harvard . Dude never averaged over 5 assist per game and he was a point guard playing (*)(*)(*)(*)tier teams in the Ivy League . He was a late bloomer and that's why he's getting paid now ... In the same system he claims is racist .
     
    Oldyoungin, Apr 7, 2013
    #12
  13. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    20,847
    Likes Received:
    188
    Trophy Points:
    0
    "Maybe white people should demand equal representation in certain positions in the NBA and NFL."

    Taxcutter says:
    Affirmative Action for the NFL and NBA? Why not?
     
    Taxcutter, Apr 7, 2013
    #13
  14. Radio Refugee

    Radio Refugee New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2008
    Messages:
    24,800
    Likes Received:
    318
    Trophy Points:
    0
    American sport is near to a true meritocracy. When one race dominates in one aspect, it's based on performance almost without exception.

    And the NFL can't figure out why there were so few black coaches and so many black players. Morons.
     
    Radio Refugee, Apr 7, 2013
    #14
  15. Karma Mechanic

    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2012
    Messages:
    8,054
    Likes Received:
    83
    Trophy Points:
    48
    How do you figure they aren't getting a chance.
    8 of the top ten highest paid players in the NFL are white.
     
    Karma Mechanic, Apr 7, 2013
    #15
  16. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You can ask that question to Tony Parker or Yao Ming, both of whom never went to college on a basketball scholarship.
     
    Alwayssa, Apr 7, 2013
    #16
  17. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2010
    Messages:
    8,939
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    The Welker story is simple: he doesn't LOOK like an NFL player. He's a little guy...looking at him in HS, you would not expect him to stay healthy in the NFL.
     
    Jarlaxle, Apr 7, 2013
    #17
  18. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    20,847
    Likes Received:
    188
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As a Colts fan I despise the Patriots and loudmouth Welker. But I do respect him as being a real football player.
     
    Taxcutter, Apr 7, 2013
    #18
  19. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    20,847
    Likes Received:
    188
    Trophy Points:
    0
    "8 of the top ten highest paid players in the NFL are white."

    Taxcutter says:
    Way more than 14% (the proportion of blacks in the general population) of the money goes to black players. Even moreso in the NBA.

    If the local fire department is subject to Affirmative Action, why not pro sports?
     
    Taxcutter, Apr 7, 2013
    #19
  20. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Those would be mostly, if not all, QBs.......that is a position that teams can still draft/recruit white players without the fans and coaches getting all wired out.......now draft/recruit a redheaded RB and all hell will break loose.
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #20
  21. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    How so.......Welker has 184 more receptions than Calvin Johnson over the past six years.......and his target to reception ration is much higher than Johnson's (72% vs 55%).....and Johnson barely beats him out in yardage over that span. So one isn't invited to the combine and goes undrafted and the other is a first rounder. Thanks for making my point.
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #21
  22. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,697
    Likes Received:
    6,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Calvin Johnson nearly had 2000 yards . One game away on a (*)(*)(*)(*) team . Dude is the best and will finish as the greatest ever . Wes is legit but no megatron .
     
    Oldyoungin, Apr 7, 2013
    #22
  23. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Different offensive systems and different personnel.
     
    Alwayssa, Apr 7, 2013
    #23
  24. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I guess you mean Welker doesn't look like and NFL player because he's a "little guy" and White:

    Welker: 5'9/185 undrafted

    Steve Smith: 5'9/185; 3rd round

    Darren Sproles: 5'6 190; 4th round

    DeSean Jackson: 5'10/175; 2nd round

    Trindon Holliday: 5'5/165; 6th round

    Thanks for helping to make my point........he "doesn't look like an NFL wide receiver"........maybe if Welker's stylist could come up with some dreads he might "look" the part.......LMAO.
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #24
  25. northwinds

    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2012
    Messages:
    6,103
    Likes Received:
    85
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Welker will got to the HOF........not so sure about "megatron"........one undrafted one a first rounder
     
    northwinds, Apr 7, 2013
    #25
Page 1 of 5

Share This Page