I understand, the consent of the woman is required. How credible is "very pro-life" Holly O'Donnell in her allegations against her former employer, StemExpress (NOT PLANNED PARENTHOOD)? We don't know. Again, she is admittedly "very pro-life," so how credible? Screaming, crying--immaterial. I've heard the exact same thing in a plastic surgery recovery room.
Yes with clinics and those of Planned Parenthood. There is no getting around that. Sounds like they sometimes don't get a consent. Not sure.....but I am willing to bet both StemExpress and PP are looking up the Jessica's they hired, huh?
I haven't yet seen any proof PP sold fetal tissue illegally. IF "Jessica" exists shouldn't she be investigated? Or will the words of a third party be all the "proof" Anti-Choicers need? That's not enough for the law PP will keep right on running and giving women the abortions they want
No I haven't seen anything showing a sale.....yet. Just haggling over comfortable prices. For uhm, transportation purposes. There is also the alterating procedure stuff and not keeping records. Surely she should and if this woman doesn't know her last name. I am sure she could describe her and then they can check logs on who was working. get some pics and start from there. Moreover 3 Congressional Committees are investigating. PP will keep getting defunded by States. Then after it is all done and over with. PP will lose business, with both those that they do business with and as well as those that donate to them. They would have been better off accepting the loss of the Federal Funding.
They got leaned on most likely, possibly from other clients that didn't want their names associated with StemExpress because that name is now associated with PP. All because tissue that is going to exist regardless was being used instead of destroyed. And it's not just about the tissue itself being used or that it's human because that's been happening for a long time and nobody is campaigning to end other sources of tissue. Stopping this tissue from being redistributed to research purposes doesn't stop a single abortion, because it hasn't done anything that affects the reasons that a woman gets an abortion in the first place. So congratulations to all the playing of politics, which is now, the politics of waste.
Are you talking about PP employees that were illegally secretly recorded? Nothing in the videos shows illegal activities by PP.
Still no proof of any wrong doing. ...and PP will lose business? Why? Women will still want safe accessible affordable health care . They will still want safe affordable accessible BC that PP provides ( and Repubs want to get rid of so there will be MORE abortions) and the cancer screenings and the STD care ... My GAWD! The hatred for the poor is astounding.... And don't give me that crap about how they can so easily go to other clinics....women use PP because it's convenient (accessible) ...if there weren't women who needed and used PP it would've gone away a long time ago...
I don't know if any of it is illegal (I'm not a lawyer), but carving up body parts and auctioning them off is barbaric. In one of the videos, you can see arms, legs, eyes, etc. I don't know if I've ever seen anything that sad and gruesome.
I know what I said ... PP said fewer than 5 ... but PP won't say what the States are ... Politico said 2 ... one of the videos was from CA and the one in the video is in TX ... PP in TX has had a donation program & has done fetal tissue research ... seems like maybe you might need to confront HuffPo instead of me, although, granted, that statement of theirs you quoted was pretty slipperaly (word?) constructed with a bunch or qualifiers. Those qualifiers do come in handy, don't they? Instead, if you're comfortable that there are only 3 or 4 PP States (instead of 2 or 50) with fetal tissue donation programs, so be it. The point is, the results of State investigations of PP fetal tissue programs in States whose PP facilities don't have such programs look better when sites like HuffPo shout about how nothing was uncovered ... but there was never a chance of anything to be uncovered in those States to begin with. Except for Florida, but that's something else again.
If Planned Parenthood were going to do something illegal, they could do it anywhere; a donation program wouldn't be needed. Nice try, however, to trivialize the investigations finding no wrongdoing. In Florida, 3 PP clinics did nothing wrong according to ACOG, they followed accepted protocol exactly. So all you have left out of 16 clinics, after all that buildup, was one case of "improper record keeping."
None of it was illegal and you don't have to be a lawyer to see that. No "body parts " were "carved up" and nothing was "auctioned off" . It is not barbaric, it is what researchers have done throughout history.... You aren't a lawyer and not a video expert and have no idea if the video is displaying what was actually used or even if the video is real. ...it is designed to play to emotions, not intellect. Some fall for it and some use it to further their cause with emotion, like saying parts were "auctioned off". That phrase is so much more emotional than the factual word, "sold". I don't see using human tissue for research as sad and gruesome. ...it's called science. I don't think of it as gruesome or sad that when I die my body will be harvested (if there's anything good left ). I think I may help improve LIFE for someone .....
That isn't what is happening. Women have donated fetal tissue to medical research and PP is compensated for its expenses. That's what you would see in any organ donation facility. It isn't something you would want to watch, but organ donation is a wonderful life-saving thing.
In a PP State that apparently doesn't have baby part donation program anymore anyway. Hardly a big deal when that's what we're talking about investigating for.
That's what I explained to you. If PP wanted to illegally sell fetal tissue, it could do that at any PP clinic. It wouldn't have to have a donation program. Therefore, findings of no wrongdoing in any state are relevant.
... no, not really. (1) Not if they want to get away with it ... and clearly they did. and (2) Not regarding baby parts sales in states where they haven't got the contacts or contracts that have 3rd Party personnel on site to do the collection.
Government researchers found no wrongdoing. The videos were a hoax: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...-fetal-tissue-laws-at-hhs-121410.html?hp=r3_4
I already did. The title of the article sums it up: "HHS to Congress: No violations of fetal tissue laws"
That's what I thought you'd say. From the POLITICO article ... this is actually hilarious in that it's presented as important verifiable information about a thorough investigation. No, that doesn't mean PP. And suppliers like StemExpress surely won't fall on their sword merely by asking them to. Since it said "non-profit" it MAY include PP but you never know since they didn't say and I believe PP has contracts with for-profit companies, not the Government. Anyway, as long as they asked nicely you figure you have to believe whoever the, ahem, investigators were talking to, right? Here we go again, no mention of PP and it's most likely that they're NOT talking about PP but rather middle men like Stem Express as providers of fetal tissue. Where does it say the HHS (or anyone else's) investigation actually went to PP to ask questions? That's like saying Hillary Clinton said there were no classified material in her emails so that settles it. This was no investigation. This was a conversation. Bottom line is that the Politico article about the HHS conversation was intended to try to get PP off the hook as though the Feds had investigated and cleared them ... and it looks like it worked on you.
In the midst of the current Planned Parenthood allegations...an HHS letter to Congress stated it found no violations of fetal tissue laws "among government researchers or the companies that supply the tissue" to them. In a letter to Sens. Joni Ernst (R-IA) and Roy Blunt (R-MO), the assistant secretary for legislation at HHS explained that they found "no violation of these laws in connection with research done at our agencies." But it's not about Planned Parenthood? That's your just your wishful interpretation. No investigation is needed based on the heavily-edited-videos-to-deceive, because even those videos show no wrongdoing. Experts have confirmed the money amounts in the videos are not enough to constitute a profit.
This is getting weird. It SHOULD be about what PP has been doing, but this investigation wasn't. You do realize, I hope, that PP is neither a government researcher nor a company that supplied the tissue to them. That means they weren't investigated by HHS. You do realize that, right?
