I just wish people would be honest in all this, it has nothing to do with the fetal tissue donations or the amount of money received, which has probably gone on since fetal tissue first existed, it is, and always has been about de-funding PP at any costm for any concocted reason.
The letter from HHS to Congress was "in response to probes conducted after a series of videos allegedly showing Planned Parenthood doctors was released by anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress." http://national.suntimes.com/nation...-congress-hasnt-found-fetal-tissue-violations So it would be weird if the letter wasn't about Planned Parenthood.
The edited videos are blatantly dishonest, and anyone who watches them can see that. What's incredible to me is that they don't care if they are seen as dishonest, as long as they get Planned Parenthood defunded. And by "they," I mean the corrupt organization that made the videos, their supporters, and the legislators who rushed to defund PP on the basis of fraudulent videos.
Please post something (meaning, actual words) from the SunTimes article or the Politico article (on which it was based) which indicates there was an HHS investigation of PP itself.
Then look at the entire videos ... they are available. Didn't you know that? Then get back to us. Alternatively, since I know you won't do that, here's someone from your your side who actually did watch them all. I'm sure you'll just love it. http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9140849/planned-parenthood-videos-unedited
I already did: Furthermore, the Sun-Times article states: "As the Huffington Post notes, several other investigations into Planned Parenthood have failed to yield any information about wrongdoing."
Of course I knew that. That's why I'm amazed when zealots continue to claim "PP sold baby parts" when the unedited videos are available to confirm the edited ones are fraudulent. Thanks, read it already. It doesn't claim PP sold baby body parts, or did anything illegal.
Never noticed any of that in the VOX piece, huh? BTW, are you actually claiming you watched all the videos in their entireties? You're really just repeating the same line about fraudulent videos that you've been hearing everywhere you usually go, right? Be honest. I'm sure you could be a good person anyway.
Which part is illegal? I didn't watch the entire 12 hours of unedited video, but I saw a significantly deceptive edit in the first 3 seconds of one. I hope you aren't going to claim there is one iota of evidence that Planned Parenthood is "selling baby parts" which is what the videos imply, and the makers claim. People hear money amounts and ASSume the worst because they want to. Few people will watch any of them, and that's what the "Center for Medical Progress" is counting on. If Planned Parenthood (which provides health care to poor women) is defunded, it should be for an honest reason, and not because people were tricked into believing a lie.
The 3 parts I quoted from the VOX piece suggest illegalities. I'm sure you didn't miss that. You really need to learn more about the videos and what the insiders who have come forward to talk about this have said.
It is illegal to "alter the abortion procedure" because women could be endangered by it. Grasping the fetus at a slightly different point isn't what is meant by altering the abortion procedure, and it doesn't endanger the woman or prolong the procedure. So now are you admitting the videos don't actually depict the sale of fetal body parts as the videos suggest?
I have watched both the edited and un-edited versions of the videos and I can see nothing that violates any laws, if I have missed those violations please do point them out to me.
These "insiders" how many of them are disgruntled x-employees with an axe to grind gaining their 15 mins of fame?
Somebody said that and you repeat it as some kind of comfort with no knowledge that it's so. Yes, but that's not what we're talking about and if you had actually watched the videos you'd know that. Already have been pointed out on this page, in fact ... but here's more http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/1...rtion-doctor-says-in-new-anti-abortion-video/ and from the VOX piece ... Yet videos show negotiations between PP and StemExpress over what to charge but also the fact that StemExpress had people on site to procure the baby material which indicates very little expense to PP. Here's another video. You should watch it. In fact, I challenge you both to watch the entire thing. If you can say afterwards that you still have no reservations and mean it then there's nothing more anyone can say so I won't bother to try. [video=youtube;FzMAycMMXp8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=279&v=FzMAycMMXp8[/video]
78% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in minority communities. We can't have those inferior races breeding like fruit flies, and since the fetus is dead anyway. Why not make a few dollars selling the body parts as medical research so white folks can live longer. Win - Win Fewer babies from inferior races, use the aborted ones so white folks can live long and prosper. That about sums up Margaret Sanger's philosophy. Hooray! Planned Parenthood!
We know she is a former StemExpress employee and "very prolife." She said she saw another (StemExpess) employee appear to retrieve tissue without woman's consent, but we know that women sign consent forms for donation. I have watched enough of the videos to know they are not credible. I see that's a standard line for anyone questioning the validity of the videos, "Have you watched all 12 hours of them?" As if anyone who hasn't watched them all isn't qualified to comment. That isn't necessary to see the deception, or to know the truth about them. But about the video... Already have been pointed out on this page, in fact ... but here's more http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/1...rtion-doctor-says-in-new-anti-abortion-video/ How would you know what the expenses would be? Are you familiar with the process? Why? It's just as dishonest as the rest. Were you aware that the "Dr" talking about the beating heart was not from Planned Parenthood, but dishonestly represented as such?
Are you opposed to fetal tissue research? Dr. Jonas Salk was able to develop his polio vaccine by using fetal tissue research. Did you know that?
Post#48 - Says nothing about violations. Post #62 - A suggestion of a violation does not equal an actual violation . .so again I ask show me where any violations occur.
Sad to say, but you're too deep in the tank for serious discussion. Wasn't sure until this last post. Media Matters was the clincher. Good bye.
Liars don't like Media Matters, Politico, Factcheck or Snopes. Funny you think Media Matters isn't credible but the discredited (by multiple sources) CMP videos are. Again, where is your proof that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts? Before you go--your last recommended video with graphic photos and misleading discussion about harvesting brains from babies with beating hearts--that is exactly the kind of thing that inspires "pro-life" crazies like Scott Roeder and other domestic terrorists. Looks like it's already working...
Cady we all know it's about confirmation bias for them .. facts and reality mean nothing if it does not fit their hyperbole.
