Strange that it's mostly Democrats who want to continue the lockdown destroying our economy...

IMO most democrats are more concerned with saving lives then saving the economy. You can always rebuild the economy but once a person is dead, they cannot be brought back to life. Most Republicans are more concerned about money; all else is secondary.

 

Saving lives from a virus with a .5% death rate? More like never let a crisis go to waste.

 

LIke I said, money is more important then human life.

 

Lol we could save human lives by forcing people to exercise. We could save human lives by having a speed limit of 25mph on all vehicles. We could save human lives by doing any of a MULTITUDE of things we don’t do because freedom and the economy are more important.

 

That's what "a new and better attitude" means?
Who said anything about healthcare not costing money?
X dollars are spent every year on healthcare in the U.S. Equally good healthcare is provided for almost half the cost in some other countries. There is nothing in those facts that says anything is free nor shows a desire to spend "other people's" money.
The poster is deluded by his desire to disagree, but with what he has not made clear.

 

The experts have been wrong time and gain during the past few months. I don't believe it will get to 1%. You can believe whatever you like.

 

I just pointed out a flaw in the premise of your argument, invited you to correct it, and you refused.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've never (on this forum) advocated for shutting down the economy every flu season, even though it costs tens of thousands of lives every year.

So you do seem to have a number in which money is more important to you than human life. What is it?

 

I suppose they will have to make other arrangements.

The canny investor will short elder care and go long on child care.

 

You are correct; I've never advocated shutting down the economy every flu season, but there is a first for everything, especially when we are faced with a pandemic which is killing people, in addition to the regular flu virus which continues to kill people.

Actually your supposition is wrong; I believe we should all be working for the betterment of all mankind. A money less society should be the goal of all people since money is the root of all evil; in a money less society crime would no doubt drop to very low levels.

 

Working for your fantasy laden "money less society" is really beside the point and has nothing to do with this topic. You should take that to the Star Trek Economy thread.

So now you are admitting that there IS a number at which you advocate shutting down the economy because "lives." I'm just wondering what that number is and your criteria.

 

Your comparisons to other countries is intellectually dishonest. No country with our size of population has socialized medicine, furthermore no country with socialized medicine has 25% on government assistance like we have.

Moreover you want to INCREASE the number of people on healthcare who have NO way of paying for it. The costs in America are people paying for their OWN healthcare, not others, whereas you want to create an entire class of people who can’t afford healthcare but receive it anyway meaning that other people who are perfectly healthy have to pay for it.

Last you.COMPLETELY ignore the fact that americas privatized healthcare system produces more research and development than EVERY other nation COMBINED. The reason those other countries are ABLE to have healthcare is because they piggyback off of the R&D that americas private companies produce. If you socialize American healthcare the VAST majority of the new drugs, new procedures and technology will simply no longer exist.

Please educate yourself on the subject before you attempt to convince people to support such an absurdly ridiculous premise.

 

They couldn't possibly be -so- stupid as to not understand the above, so the logical conclusion is that they are purposefully lying and rationalizing towards political ends, which is the penultimate LW preoccupation behind projection.

 

"X dollars are spent every year on healthcare in the U.S. Equally good healthcare is provided for almost half the cost in some other countries. There is nothing in those facts that says anything is free nor shows a desire to spend "other people's" money."
What, in that quotation, proposes a measure or government action?

 

Size of country is TheImmortals' first error.

TheImmortals' second error is that he makes assertions but no facts.

TheImmortals' third error is that he asserts other countries are piggybacking of American R&D without any evidence.

I suggest TI educate himself on the facts.

 

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

 

Name a country with 325M people with a successful socialized medicine system.

I did provide facts. You just didn’t like them such as the US having ~25% on government assistance. Whereas Canada has ~5%.

And America provides more R&D and medical advancements than every other country combined. I’ll be happy to source that for you if you’d like.

 

Figured I’d source my claim since I have no doubt you two would never look it up on your own.

https://www.americanactionforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2016-05-17-Drug-Patents-Checkup.pdf

Just thought I’d point out in that chart. Notice how as those countries instituted socialized medicine how much fewer medical advancements they provided as the years went on. Except America as we kept our privatized system.

 

But I clarified, and the only way you can make your claim true is if I didn't. Even then, congrats? Where are you going with this? My premise is lots of people are going to die. Your argument is not as many lots of people are going to die so don't worry about it? Are you saying potentially a million deaths won't effect the economy?

 

And the amount of food being purchased, the fuel to see them, any events planned with them... All of that goes too. Of course all that human capital too.

 

What percentage of the GDP do you figure that to be?

 

No idea. My guess if we only focus on the number of old people dead not as significant as say everyone else dying too but enough.

 

A million people is about .3% of the population. If the GDP shrank .3% because a million people die that result is dwarfed by the shrinkage already caused by 2 months of lock down.

 

Let's here what ways you have to stop the China in it's tracks. That will be interesting to hear. All anyone anywhere has done is to delay it.

 

Could be it's a kind of linear thought process.

Destroy the economy = destroy Trump.
Destroy Trump = Democrats rule.
Democrats rule = free money for people, everybody becomes dependent on government, until all money runs out.
Money running out = Power grab, justify totalitarian rule by promising to save the people now powerless to save themselves.
For their own good, of course.

Doesn't matter that there are democrats in the mix of the new peon class, because the power side of the party never cared about the followers other than needing them as pawns for leverage to get power.

Just following the logic that has to be in their heads these days.