Study: The Liberal Media’s Summer of Pummeling Trump

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  1. Ddyad

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    The most recent Rasmussen has Trump at 46%, and Rasmussen is an anti-Trump pollster - so add 10 points to get closer to the real number.

    Internal DP polling now shows that Trump is not hurt by negative MSM attacks.

    “Data from a range of focus groups and internal polls in swing states paint a difficult picture for the Democratic Party heading into the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election. It suggests that Democrats are naive if they believe Trump’s historically low approval numbers mean a landslide is coming. The party is defending 10 Senate seats in states that Trump won and needs to flip 24 House seats to take control of that chamber.”

    POLITICO, WHITE HOUSE, Teflon Don confounds Democrats
    Democrats have attacked the president every which way, but polling and focus groups show none of it's working., By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 09/13/2017.
     
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    I'm going to use the massive aggregate rather than 1 pollster. And if I do use 1 pollster, it's going to be Gallup.

    Also I'm not adding 10 points merely because said so.

    Trump has a 37-38% Approval Rating, Which is very bad.

    Several surveys and studies also show Trump is less trusted than the media.

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2482
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/326313-poll-trump-less-trusted-than-news-outlets
    https://www.rjionline.org/reporthtml.html
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-feud-cnn-fake-news-donald-trump-631786
     
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    Those polls are for public consumption.

    “The research, conducted by private firms and for Democratic campaign arms, is rarely made public but was described to POLITICO in interviews with a dozen top operatives who’ve been analyzing the results coming in.

    “If that’s the attitude that’s driving the Democratic Party, we’re going to drive right into the ocean,” said Anson Kaye, a strategist at media firm GMMB who worked on the Obama and Clinton campaigns and is in conversations with potential clients for next year.

    Worse news, they worry: Many of the ideas party leaders have latched onto in an attempt to appeal to their lost voters — free college tuition, raising the minimum wage to $15, even Medicare for all — test poorly among voters outside the base. The people in these polls and focus groups tend to see those proposals as empty promises, at best.”
    POLITICO, WHITE HOUSE, Teflon Don confounds Democrats
    Democrats have attacked the president every which way, but polling and focus groups show none of it's working., By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 09/13/2017.

    Democrats. like establishment Republicans are fooling themselves. DP leaders, unlike RP leaders are beginning to catch on.
     
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    The only problem that I have with your analysis is that the media is not lying. It is not their job to punish or promote Trump, but
    to report what they get from leaks and analyze information. The media is a major problem for Trump, because they keep us informed,
    based upon the info that they get. Unfortunately, the uninformed Trump base doesn't want the truth. Their mind is made up; don't
    confuse them with the facts.
     
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    Massive intellect you clearly are not.
     
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    Trumpers hate the truth from mainstream media. They hiss and recoil from it like vampires before holy water.
     
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    The left hates the truth like they hate seeing a white family
     
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    And in no way does this hurt their accuracy or methodology. They on average were off by 1%, and mostly correct.

    Donny is at 37-38%. Most trust the media more.
     
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    Donnie is at risk of dropping his "moderates" and his numbers dropping to 24 percent, so he keeps throwing them red meat. That's his hard-core supporters who literally don't care what he says or does, as long as its radical. He could shoot a pregnant mother on Madison Avenue and still hold on to that 24 percent. Reasoning with that group is as practical or effective as talking to a grinning possum digging through your garbage can...
     
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    It's fine. It's roughly where it was when he won the election.

    And the Fake News Media is rolling over. The Russian "Collusion" story is all but gone, now that we find that the DNC and the Dems were entrusting their IT to a Pakistani Crime Family who transferred their data to an outside clandestine server, what is it with Dems and clandestine secret servers?

    But, the biggest clue is the Fake News Media, that called Trump's wise immigration ban on terrorist spawning nations, identified by the Obama Administration, a "Muslim" ban for months on end, now that SCOTUS has bitch-slapped them, have suddenly taken to calling it an "refugee" ban.

    The story died until this week.

    Look how it is reported.

    ABC in LA: "Supreme Court allows Trump administration to continue ban on most refugees."

    Agence France-Presse: "US Supreme Court keeps tight refugee ban in place."

    Associated Press: "Trump administration appeals to Supreme Court on refugee ban."

    Bloomberg: "Justice Kennedy Temporarily Restores Trump's Refugee Ban."

    NBC: "Supreme Court Keeps Refugee Travel Ban in Effect."

    New York Times: "Justice Kennedy’s Order Temporarily Leaves in Place Trump Travel Ban on Refugees."

    Reuters: "Hawaii urges U.S. top court not to lift Trump refugee ban curbs."

    Looks like "refugee ban" scored better with the focus groups than "Muslim ban" did.

    One of the countries involved is Syria.

    Who would ban refugees from Syria?

    Anyone concerned about America's national security, that's who.

    The Islamic State has 11,000 blank Syrian passports.

    Once again, President Trump has shown his critics to be wrong. They don't care. He has the truth. They have focus groups.

    The more the Fake News Pummels him the more powerful he becomes!

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/09/fake-muslim-ban-is-now-refugee-ban.html#more
     
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    1. You are objectively incorrect. That isn't the definition of fake news. Your describing (in your opinion) bias and sensationalized titles.

    Please understand the difference. Fake news is mostly all intentional false stories from such source, like these:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news_website
    http://money.cnn.com/interactive/media/the-macedonia-story/
    https://web.stanford.edu/~gentzkow/research/fakenews.pdf
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-trolls-fake-news_us_58dde6bae4b08194e3b8d5c4

    Most of which were on Trump's side. Ironically.

    2. The public still trusts the Media more than Trump. So not sure what your point was with this red herring.
     
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    Have you told the DNC, DCCC and the rest of the DP elite to relax and just ignore their internal polls? ;-)

    "Democrats tried attacking Donald Trump as unfit for the presidency. They’ve made the case that he’s ineffective, pointing to his failure to sign a single major piece of legislation into law after eight months in the job. They’ve argued that Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself and that his campaign was in cahoots with Russia. None of it is working."

    POLITICO, WHITE HOUSE, Teflon Don confounds Democrats
    Democrats have attacked the president every which way, but polling and focus groups show none of it's working., By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 09/13/2017.
     
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    I never said ignore the internal DNC polls. You're changing the topic and making things up. I'm not a democrat or liberal, i'm not beholden to such inaccurate polls.

    I'm using polls that were correct. National GE Polls. Those same poll types that now have Trump at 38% and less trusted than the MSM. Nothing more needs to be said.
     
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    I do my homework with the aid of those who write books. Stay off the internet and you will be better served. Case in point is the fabrication of the 'McCain was not a hero because he was captured' false narrative.
     
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    Those polls do not present an accurate accounting of Trump or the MSM. They can be referenced but they are meaningless.
     
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    Virtually no one trusts the MSM or the political class now.

    “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Three in four Americans (75%) last year perceived corruption as widespread in the country's government. This figure is up from two in three in 2007 (67%) and 2009 (66%).” GALLUP, 75% in U.S. See Widespread Government Corruption, SEPTEMBER 19, 2015
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-corruption.aspx
    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141210989


    “There is no incongruity in the fact that a new poll conducted by the Media Insight Project, a joint project of the American Press Institute and the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, finds the American media’s popularity way down with that of Washington politicians. With 2,014 adults surveyed, only 6% expressed “a lot of confidence” in the press.”

    “The Media Insight poll found that close to 90% of Americans consider it extremely important or very important that journalists get their facts right. As in RatherGate and so many other cases, the media not only gets the facts wrong but also uses them as political weapons.” INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY, Only 6% Trust the Media, But It Should Be Less, Editorial, 4/19/16.
    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/only-6-trust-media-but-it-should-be-less/

    IBD and Gallup 2 of your favorites.
     
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    Journalism is for sale in these times. Leaks for favorable stories - that's the new game. Very few journalists actually investigate anymore.
     
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    Donnie's Cult would much rather believe stories of UFOs, Bigfoot and Hillary murders, written out of Macedonia, than trained journalists from the finest American universities. Why? Some kind of birth defect. If you were born that way then just relax, 'cause it's too late.
     
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    The "newspaper of record" is firing its copy editors. Credible journalism is dead.

    “Under the new editing model at The New York Times, desk editors will handle all aspects of a story, through various drafts to a completely copy edited version. That's different from the current routine, where backfielders work with reporters to get a draft in shape before sending it to a copy editor for polishing and fact-checking.” POYNTER, New York Times copy editors are being encouraged to take buyouts today, By Benjamin Mullin • July 6, 2017.
    http://www.poynter.org/2017/new-yor...ouraged-to-take-buyouts-today-update2/465913/

    Google: NYT corrections

    But that will not tell the half of it.
     
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    Straw Man. I know. I never stated the Media is highly trusted. This post in no way challenges my claims.

    I claimed and showed the Media is more trusted than Trump (which also shows RW "news" in general also being less trusted than other news), and supported it with multiple sources from this year.

    Which makes the info you just posted even more damning for Trump.
     
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    I'm glad you used Poynter, a good organization. Unbiased, extremely accurate. They run Politifact which I typically use here. Doesn't really paint the far right "sources" in a good light.
     
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    Citation needed.
     
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    One of your favorite pollsters reveals that the MSM is only trusted by 6% of Americans.

    And yet you rely on an inherently biased political poll that places Trump's approval at 36% to conclude that more people trust the MSM than Trump. Think it through.
     
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    I understand the Media is not trusted by many.

    I understand of that Media, right wing sources are trusted even less so on average.

    I also understand that Trump is less trusted than the MSM and has a 36-38% approval.

    Were is the issue? I never stated the Media is highly trusted. None of these are mutually exclusive.


    I have not seen any factual evidence showing how the polls I linked are false.
     
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    Neither Poynter no Politifact are unbiased, and they are not reliably accurate - unless they slip up and report against their bias.

    “Fact-checking website PolitiFact on Wednesday retracted a 2014 article that found it "Mostly True" the Obama administration helped broker a deal that successfully removed "100 percent" of chemical weapons from Syria.

    "We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out," then-Secretary of State John Kerry said on NBC's "Meet the Press" in July 2014. Kerry was referring to a deal the U.S. and Russia struck in September 2013 in which the Russians agreed to help confiscate and then destroy Syria's entire chemical weapons stockpile.” PolitiFact retracts 'mostly true' ruling that US removed '100 percent' of Syria's chemical weapons, By Alex Griswold Published April 06, 2017.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oved-100-percent-syrias-chemical-weapons.html
     

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