Supreme Court Ruling Deals Blow to Labor Unions

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  1. Winter Sun

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    USA has one of the highest maternal death rates in the western world and it’s about to get worse. It’s sad how little you are willing to fight for your own rights and self interests in a country that prides itself on individualism. Instead, you’re more concerned with defending the privilege of the elites, but I guess that’s where class based racism leads you. People are willing to setttle for being a broke ass white person because it’s better than being one of those blacks and Latinos shooting each other, and if uplifting you involves uplifting them, you’re good staying where you are because at least you will never be one of them.
     
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    Corps are not people because those people then will get more than one vote. Please, if you are going to waste my time, make it worth my while with some high brow gaslighting instead of this quoted post^^^ low brow B/S. Perhaps you should read and disseminate 1US Code Chapter 1 Section 5 yourself. The rich and corps buy multiple votes through dark money.
    In bold is the strawman, since I stated that Citizens' United has given more than ONE vote or speech to Corps while a citizen only has one vote. Do better, you are embarrassing the far RW with this nonsense.
     
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  3. Steve N

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    Union money has corrupted democrats. Give me one good reason why school choice and charter schools get shot down by the left.
     
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    Balance is relevant to common representation, unions serve an important function since they provided the decades of average American middle class growth that made average Americans strong and the envy of the world. I have zero issues with charter scools or school choice but it should not be at the expense of public schools.
     
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    Unions had their day, now they’re a burden. I managed unionized techs, and while a contract is negotiated that’s amicable to both the union and the company, the local presidents (I had to deal with three) determine who or what they will fight for. I had a union president who hated a tech he represents, so he gave me damaging info on the guy. When he had given me enough to fire him I did. The same president told me there were certain techs he wouldn’t defend if they ever got in trouble, he said he would go through the motions and that’s it.

    Union techs also work a lot slower and less efficiently than non union techs. I’ve heard some unions work out very well, the one I had to deal with did not.
     
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    Per the norm for you, your opinion is just that, an opinion. Unions are important for the majority of the working class. Isn't the Trump Party now in full favor of child labor? What could possibly go wrong? Serfdom?
     
  7. Steve N

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    I worked in my father’s dry cleaners when I was eight. I also had a paper route and shoveled driveways in the winter. People work…..change that….some people work for a buck.
     
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    I sure you did and I am also sure many union workers work very hard for what they earn as well. Don't be a judgemental hater, it's unhealty.
     
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    I do know that there are English Clubs, French Clubs, Sweedish Clubs, etc. And English, French, and Swedish tend to be predominately "white." But even Asian clubs are open to everyone and that club shares the Asian, all of Asia, cultural experience. I also know of a Chinese Club on campus at my alma mater that is open to any person who shares the Chinese Culture and language. So, it will have to depend if the club is open to all and the purpose of the club. But if you think White is homogeneous, you are grossly mistaken,.

    For companies, isn't that their prerogative? I know a financial institution does provide help and scholarship to Native Americans living on Indian Reservations. they also help those who have trouble with their mortgage and that is not based solely on race or ethnicity.
     
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    And what I highlighted in bold, so are unions. They are technically corporations.
     
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    I’m only judging based on what I personally experienced.
     
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    And projecting that narrow view as if it's everyone else's reality....that's the flaw.
     
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    I never projected anything as everyone else’s reality. I simply identify as a person who had a bad experience with unions. These days, when someone identifies as something, the world is forced to accept it or they get insulted, ridiculed, cancelled or shut down. I have thick skin and I don’t operate that way.
     
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    Yet you are compelled to mete out judgement everyday all day on many others. That alone makes the above post deeply hypocritical and ironic. If you are unaware of it, that makes it even worse.....
     
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    I give my opinions, that’s not judgement. You have opinions, too, right?

    BTW, aren’t you judging me?
     
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    Feeling the heat doesn't mean I am judging you, that's most likely projection. I am not here starting divisive threads all day every day bitching and moaning about 60% of fellow Americas and bashing them with discriminating vitriol.
     
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    Minorities objectively do. They are more likely to be believed despite a lack of evidence for claims of discrimination, they also have various organizations and groups within work environments that are sponsored offering special opportunities for them. Same thing with colleges, etc.

    And you have no basis for saying anyone does anything better than me as you don’t know me. That’s simply an emotional response.

    The Karen phenomenon occurs just as often in the reverse but goes unreported. Infact most inter racial crime has white victims, not perpetrators. But again it’s unreported because it doesn’t fit the narratives.

    Nothing is gained or proven by these anecdotes you posted. Anecdotes are strictly designed for emotional responses, not rational ones.
     
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    Where did I say unions weren't? Please quote me saying so. I am the one that pointed out unions are just businesses providing a service.
     
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    Are there WHITE clubs to support and promote the Caucasian race and everything good about being white?
     
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    I have ownership in LOTS of corporations where are my extra votes? If you and I own a business together and some in the city are trying to get some regulation passed on a ballot why shouldn't you and I be able to engage in our free speech opposing it even buying ads or printing handbills or even speaking in public?


    What "dark money". Don't we have freedom of assembly and freedom or speech and the right to petition the government or does that only apply to groups you like? Obviously you did not read 1 US Code Chapter 1 Section 5.

    Do explain how a rich person can buy more votes for themselves.


    You said it denies you free speech and the same votes others have.

    Again how did CU deny you any vote or speech? You are perfectly free to join with other groups of people no one is stopping you.

    Do you even know what CU was about and what the court said? If you and I didn't want Trump to win and it was two weeks before the election and it was close so we made an ad to run on TV should we be prevented from doing so?
     
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    It's sad how you have to make things up about me rather than try to argue your points on their merits.

    And I note that in a discussion of economics and economic standard of living you seemed focused on trying to compare healthcare, why is that?

    That being said just to address the point you tried to make and as I noted previously about using life expectancies across countries.

    "FEW things are more tragic than the death of a woman in pregnancy or childbirth. In America, as in other rich countries, such deaths are extremely rare. Nonetheless, 700-800 pregnant women and new mothers die each year. By some measures, America’s maternal mortality is several times higher than in rich European countries. By other measures, however, America has the same rate as Britain.

    One bit of the puzzle is what counts as a maternal death. The standard definition used in international comparisons, such as those published by the World Health Organisation, is a death from complications of pregnancy if the death occurs between the time a woman becomes pregnant and six weeks after her pregnancy ends.

    In rich countries, these deaths are tallied from vital-registration systems which in turn compile data from death certificates. These, however, are known to undercount maternal deaths, partly because doctors must select a cause of death from thousands of codes. They are more likely to consider the subset reserved for medical problems caused by pregnancy when the form has a checkbox asking whether the woman had been pregnant.

    America added this checkbox to its standard death certificate in 2003, though it took more than a decade for all states to adopt it. It has been a mixed blessing, says Andreea Creanga of Johns Hopkins University. A recent study found that its growing use accounted for 80% of the steep rise in maternal mortality recorded in 2000-14. Although many maternal deaths that would otherwise go unrecorded are now tallied thanks to the checkbox, it is also often marked erroneously—showing recent pregnancy on the death certificates of women who died in their 50s, for example.

    According to data from death certificates, America’s rate is 21 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births. In Britain, which does not use the pregnancy checkbox, the rate is four to five times lower. It is a rate that British health authorities do not consider reliable."
    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/what-explains-the-united-states-dismal-maternal-mortality-rates

    Now back to economics.
     
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    The extra votes AKA representation are bought with dark UNLIMITED money genius, use that nogging by removing the hyper partisan B/S blinders. If you are saying that unlimited dark money does not buy votes by undue power and influence, you are having issues facing stark non partisan reality. Now, do better but that's historically doubtful since you keep reaching for a strawman.
     
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    I haven’t been focused on healthcare. I have been talking about trade trade deficits, strength of unions, standard of living, hours spent working every day, exporting manufacturing goods vs raw goods, and many other things. I honestly don’t think that you’re contending with the facts but with your emotions. I will repeat myself, you come off as opposed to unions, and that is where your bias comes in. It’s really unfortunate that a country that prides itself on individualism and individual rights has convinced the white working class to defend the interests of the elites and corporations over standing up for their their rights.
     
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    And I addressed those matters on an objective basis you should try to respond in kind. No need to repeat yourself I have been ABUNDANTLY clear I oppose unions and have clearly stated why I oppose unions. It is because we DO pride ourselves on our individualism and individual rights and self determination which flies in the face of supporting unions especially mandatory union membership.
     
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    If you and I own a business together and some in the city are trying to get some regulation passed on a ballot why shouldn't you and I be able to engage in our free speech opposing it even buying ads or printing handbills or even speaking in public?

    Votes are votes and they happen when you cast your ballot. When did others get more votes than you? Why do you want to limit FREE SPEECH? Why shouldn't people be able to group together and voice their opinions and spend their own money doing so?

    Again how did CU deny you any vote or speech? You are perfectly free to join with other groups of people no one is stopping you.

    Do you even know what CU was about and what the court said? If you and I didn't want Trump to win and it was two weeks before the election and it was close so we made an ad to run on TV should we be prevented from doing so?
     

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