Take a break from politics, and check out this discussion. Hilarious and entertaining. Even post-playoff victory in which Tebow threw 316 yards against the best passing defense in the NFL (and my favorite team), he's still being called "fools-gold." I was convinced a long time ago, but after yesterday am thinking this kid may be one of the great ones. You gotta love Skip's enthusiasm. Tim Tebow Unleashed Eric Mangini, Doug Stewart, and Skip Bayless discuss Tim Tebow's impressive performance in Denver's win over Pittsburgh Comments, opinions, rants........
I like Tim Tebow a lot. But his throwing mechanics are still horrendous. He can get a lot done with youth and physical strength right now. But a pro team looking for a franchise quarterback to rely on for ten years is always going to want him to develop proper mechanics so he can still be throwing the ball hard and tight when he is 30 years old, has been hit nearly 1,000 times and had a couple of surgeries.
Yeah I'm not convinced. I doubt he'll be able to hold up against Brady next week. And even less convinced he could hold a candle to Brees or Rodgers should he get that far. He got a lucky throw and barely won, even with Big Ben's bum ankle.
Remember Jamaal Wilkes on the Lakers (a few years back). That dude had the funkiest shot ever, and yet he was golden. Could the stress on mechanics be a little overrated? I mean the guy just threw 316 years against the best pass defense in the NFL. And some of those passes were bullseyes by every standard. And I don't think he has the top-tier receivers that other teams have.
LOL. Tebow had a really good game yesterday, but let's hold off on the coronation until he wins a Super Bowl...
Like I said, a new young QB can do that on strength and youth. but a franchise QB is a decads long and multi million dollar investment by a team. There is no way, that Tebow will ever be a franchise quarterback as long as he has to lean heavily on running the football. No sane NFL head coach will allow his QB to run the ball consistently. Troy Aikman early in his career was screamed at by Coach Jimmy Johnson for diving for a touchdown because of the danger of him being injured. An NFL QB much make their money with their passing above all else. Another thing is that bad throwing mechanics vastly increase the dangers of wear and tear on the shoulder and other joints in a QBs throwing arm. A starting QB will throw the ball more than 500 times a season so the issue of excessive wear is a huge one.
Lucky throw? You mean multiple lucky throws. I have a feeling you didn't see the game. The guy was on fire for 5 quarters. And last I check, Ben was playing defense. Eeek.
Well, this is the first game they've sort of unleashed him. And even then, they still wouldn't let me throw the ball on a single first down during regulation. But 316 yards in passing mixed with a run game sure seems balanced to me.
"On fire" means tying at 23? The lucky throw I was referring to was the one in overtime that won the game. Perhaps you didn't see the game?
All 3 of those teams have more playmakers on offense to work with with. Tebow has very little talent around him to work with. The team was 1-4 when he took over... they finished 8-8 and now have a wildcard win.
I watch First Take quite regularly & some of the discussions drive me crazy at times. Skip Bayless goes over the top at times for Tim Tebow & then TT's detractors go overboard the other way. I just beg for perspective. My take on TT has been consistent. He's still a work in progress. Anybody who says he will be a failure is just projecting their wishful thinking, you can't possibly know that. Does he need work on his mechanics? Yes, he does. Does he run too much? Yep, but that is partially the coaches fault, the runs by design at least. But TT has qualities that can't be taught - leadership, a hard worker & most of all, he's a winner. Did what he do yesterday surprise me? Nope, not at all, cause I knew he can do it(the guy was part of 2 National Championships & was a 67% passer in college). Yes, he's still a WIP, but I have no doubt he could be a big time QB in the NFL, IMO.
But he got lucky! Well that seems to be the most popular response from the haters. The truth is, some just hate him and want him to fail. Those are the ones that call him lucky when he succeeds. You can spot those from a mile away. But you'll always have those types. I think there are also intelligent criticism of Tebow. I just fail to see how some don't even believe he will keep his job.
He's not a bad player, but it's way too early to know if he's going to be great or not. Sure, he had 316 yards, but remember that almost 190 of those yards came on just three plays. The 80 yarder in OT and two of 51 yards and 58 yards. It's not like he "picked apart" the defense. He had a few big plays that seemed to be more the result of breakdowns in the defense than any greatness on Tebow's part. He had a good day, the Steeler defense had a bad day. The jury is still out on Tebow in my opinion.
BTW, being 245 lbs. and fast doesn't hurt either. Thank you for a sane thoughtful breakdown. WIP? Of course! And I actually think he's a good thrower. Those were some pretty wild completions yesterday, even apart from the final TD throw. He may never be a Rogers, Brees or Manning. But neither will 90% of the other QB in the league. Then again, none of those will even be able to mix in a rush threat to their passing game either. I see a bright future.
That's how most great QBs get their yards, though. And it's effective! And how many other QBs were passing for 316 against the Steelers this year? Let alone 2 TD passes and a TD rush?
In spite of his years in prison Vick has much more NFL experience than Tebow. But many of the Tebow haters are really Christian bashers with little interest in football.
I kinda chuckle when I hear "Tebow is & never will be a Brady, Brees, etc...". As a Laker fan I hear all the time "Kobe is no Jordan", OK, he's not the greatest player in history(IMO). So what is Kobe, the 2nd best shooting guard in history(he is, IMO)? It's probably true, TT may never be one of those guys, but I wouldn't bet against the guy being great(& possibly winning a SB). He is a winner.
LOL! Even torturing dogs doesn't trump being a vocal christian for Montoya. Some things are just putrid to tolerate.
Some people still refuse to acknowledge that TT is still pretty much a rookie, having started only 15 games in his career so far. I think you are correct, that some of the hatred directed at TT is fueled by his outspoken faith. Well, tough nuggies on them, because they are just petty people & gotta wake up every day & look at themselves in the mirror. In some cases, that may be punishment enough.
When I was in college I coached for a 9 year old flag football league in my hometown. It was a league for boys and girls together, where teams were created as balanced and equal as possible. Well, my team was pretty horrible. They didn't play well together, nobody could catch a ball, and no one could grab a flag to save their life. But I was a coach that always wanted to give everyone a chance, so I made sure that every player HAD to play quarterback for at least one half of a game at some point in the season (I was the only coach that did that). Well, the results were, we lost every single game we played...except 1. That story is unremarkable until you learn about the 1 game we won. There was a girl on my team, a girl who I'll guess since then has faced nothing but ridicule and bullying through her teenage years and early adulthood (she'd be graduated from college by now if she ever made it, but she wasn't very smart either). She was overweight, had no social skills, and not one kid on the team liked her. She did not have a physical skill in her body to put it lightly. She was also the last kid on my team left that hadn't played quarterback, as we had lost our first 5 games of the season pretty badly. Something changed though, when she was chosen to be QB in the second half of a game we were already losing. It wasn't in her or her abilities. She was still terrible, not able to throw the ball more than 5 yards. But the team around her rose up, knowing her massive deficiencies, and helped guide her to victory. Rather than go out half-hazardly and coast through the motions, the minute she called hike they turned towards her to call for the ball with a determination and heart I'd never seen in coaching. Because of that, my team did no wrong in that half, and we came back for our first and only victory of the season, despite her basically passing the ball forward a few feet each play before her teammates ran down the field to score each time. This girls teammates knew they had to do more to win, despite her lack of leadership and lack of skill, and that day we couldn't have been happier even if we had won the superbowl. I think Tebow's presence on the Broncos is pretty much the same situation.
