Terrible obama....all he did was this

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  1. Mac-7

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    I wish I could

    In 2009 steve rattner admitted (or bragged) that minority owned dealerships would be sparred from closings

    It raised a stink at the time but it appears to have been sibce scrubbed from history at least on the liberal owned internet
     
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    Lies typically get scrubbed. That's why they're not worth repeating. They are often told by fly by night websites that cater to low information people to get a rise out of them. Cater to wingers on each side. Like conspiracy theories.
     
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    They were not lies

    Call them inconvienent truths

    Its really very easy for liberals to rewrite history on the internet
     
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    Doesn’t commonsense tell you that’s ridiculous? Especially since he worked with obama. It wasn’t scrubbed because it wasn’t said. If it was...fox would be all over it ......you’re so gullible trump sure knows his base
    But if you want to believe him..these are his actual words.
    https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/w...of-false-claims-rising-1280056387517?v=railb&
     
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    I heard that trump Is a drug addict and beats baron with a stick. It must be true...I saw it on the Internet . (Sarcasm alert)
    You read things that anyone with commonsense knows is ridiculous then you blame liberals. At least we think before we say such inane things.
     
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    Well, since it's relevant, how about President Obama's pathetic response the Hurricane Sandy? It took his Administration 2 months to ask Congress for special emergency funding. Bush and Katrina? I believe it was 11 days.

    However, the worst "all he did was" thing, was to squander an opportunity to bring the country together, and instead he promoted division and anger that the country is reeling from today. That legacy is perhaps the most important thing to remember.
     
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    I can’t believe that you actually believe that Obama’s response to hurricane Sandy was bad. Is that why governor Christie praised obama? And michal Bloomberg? How can you even compare it to Puerto Rico and to Katrina? Here, educate yourself even though Trump may not like you for doing that , I guess we blame obama for not throwing paper towels to the storm sufferers like trump did in PR
    https://www.romper.com/p/where-was-obama-during-hurricane-sandy-he-was-doing-his-job-80327
    How did obama promote division? Did he refer to republicans as bad people? Did he mock people who disagreed with him? If he were white you’d probably like him more
     
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    An American citizen which took up arms against his own nation has every right to die while serving his cause...
     
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    President Obama's response to Sandy was horrendous.

    Fact, he waited almost 2 months to submit emergency funding requests to congress. Sandy hit in October, 2012.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/07/obama-expected-to-ask-congress-for-50b-in-sandy-aid/

    The response he coordinated was pathetic.

    https://www.inquisitr.com/393773/hu...r-in-new-york-full-recovery-could-take-years/

    Puerto Rico? Katrina? Hey, you want to buy the dog whistles fed to you, go for it. If you want to know facts, do something about it.

    As to division, President Obama left the country deeply divided. Don't even try to wash away the never ending accusations that any resistance to his policies was simply because a Black man was in the White House. The man reveled in the accusations. It's undeniable, and part of the public record. He could have been remarkable, instead, he was little more than the community activist that represented his skill set.
     
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    I guess I spoke too soon

    It was there but I needed the right words for the search engine

    And it was the insoector generals report rather than Rattner who spilled the beans

    My mistake

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/07/race_played_role_in_obama_car.html

     
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    No it's not. History is history. And only stories can be changed, edited, or deleted. History itself should be captured by reputable sources.
    Perhaps its that reputable thingy again, and that is why you can't find any evidence. For it was BS.
     
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    "He was the first president since Eisenhower to serve two terms without personal or political scandal."

    Except for using the IRS, the FBI, and the CIA as weapons on political enemies.
     
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    Well that little baloney about obama response to Hurricane Sandy was to a response that was also baloney, that Bush bailed out the Auto industry.
    Peas in a pod, must stick together.
    And of course, when corrected about Auto bailout, crickets. They're not interested in reality. Only what BS RW media tells them.

    Hence why another poster can't seem to find the BS about only black dealerships were spared from closing during the bailout. The only way to show dishonesty, is to show the truth. Which they will ignore, but not everyone ignores the truth.
     
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    My mistake

    Here it is

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/07/race_played_role_in_obama_car.html

     
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    What are you talking about? The posts of Obama accomplishment are a matter of historical record. Yes the deficit went up. Government Expenditures remained constant while Consumption and Investment sectors collapsed in 2008. This drastically cut government revenues. Investment sector bailouts and unemployment insurance did the rest. All of TARP has been repaid with interest netting the government $8 billion. Economists predicted it would take the United States ten years to repair this, Obama did it in seven.

    I'm truly sorry this seems to much for the Trump supporters to grasp. That's what happens when ideology trumps (no pun intended) logic or facts. Most of what you posted are opinions of events without much backing. Some, regrettably, are outright lies.
     
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    Speaking of delusional.... Ignore the 11 TRILLION in debt added, you're just happy that $8 Billion was recouped.. Thankfully, you aren't my financial advisor. Can you imagine how long you'd last?
     
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    Thanks

    Don't see that racial or minority bias in this article.
    A 2011 book by a former dealership executive, Tamara Darvish, describes dealer anger with the terminations. Outraged, written with journalist Lillie Guyer, attacks the Obama administration's role in the dealership cuts.
    http://www.autonews.com/article/201...erminations-fueled-resentment-among-retailers

    Nor this article.
    CAPRICIOUS: WITHOUT DUE PROCESS

    This act was done capriciously without due process. The bankruptcy court was used in a way that manipulated the intentions of the law. Craig Allely, Denver attorney, stated, “The bankruptcy courts permitted the automakers and the task force to accomplish their goals – no matter what laws were stretched to the breaking point for the executive branch. The idea that courts should uphold the law even in times of crisis was ignored” (quoted in Outraged, by Tamara Darvish and Lillie Guyer, page 251). State franchise laws existed to protect contracts of this nature, however the federal bankruptcy proceedings eclipsed these rights and left businesses around the country searching for ways to salvage the remains.
    http://www.ccu.edu/centennial/2012/09/how-obama-crushed-thousands-of-auto-dealerships/

    Nor this one.
    G.M. and Chrysler Defend Dealer Closings to Senate Panel
    By BERNIE BECKERJUNE 3, 2009
    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/business/04dealers.html

    Given more time, I will look again

    EDIT:
    Then I found this.

    Access to capital an issue

    The picture is also bleak for black auto dealers. According to Damon Lester, president of the National Association of Minority Automobile Dealers, 150 to 200 minority dealers were among the about 800 U.S. auto stores that closed last year, and 300 more could shutter their doors this year.

    Lester says most minority dealers are first-generation owners, with more limited access to capital than more established dealers. He says the federal bailout of General Motors and Chrysler won't help black dealers — or any dealers. "It gives another survival line to the manufacturers, but it does not assist the dealers in gaining access to capital," he says.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=6694808&page=1
     
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    The racial bias was highlighted by the IG

    Minority and woman owned GM dealerships were protected
     
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    Blacks feel auto industry's pain; it was road to middle class
    • By LARRY COPELAND
    • USA TODAY
    January 20, 2009

    Access to capital an issue

    The picture is also bleak for black auto dealers. According to Damon Lester, president of the National Association of Minority Automobile Dealers, 150 to 200 minority dealers were among the about 800 U.S. auto stores that closed last year, and 300 more could shutter their doors this year.

    Lester says most minority dealers are first-generation owners, with more limited access to capital than more established dealers. He says the federal bailout of General Motors and Chrysler won't help black dealers — or any dealers. "It gives another survival line to the manufacturers, but it does not assist the dealers in gaining access to capital," he says.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=6694808&page=1

    According to this article, about 22% of those closed were minority owned dealerships.
     
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    A couple are outright incorrect and a few misleading are partially incorrect. Bush started the auto mfgrs bailout with $20B (though he did confer with Obama since it was just a month before Obama became president.) Obama came up with the other $60B. The government got $70B of the $80B back. GM and Chrysler both went bankrupt; GM per Obama's rule that creditors don't get any of their money back because Obama gave it to the union.
    But, admittedly, the majority are correctly attributed to Obama. Some are good. Some are good only in your opinion. Some are pissant and not worth mentioning in a list of achievements. The Lilly Ledbetter Act was all show and no dough. And he held July 4th parties!!!! What the hell is that????
     
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    Lol. The American Thinker is a joke and that explains where you get your facts. I went to the site and couldn’t even open it because all that popped up were scams
    Please show a legitimate source. One that is a respected news source. Even fox laughs at it
     
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    The bottom line is the auto industry was saved, it cost us nothing and we got interest. Why do you not accept that as good? Obama did not give the money to the union
    Gotta tell the women who got equal pay that the Ledbetter act was just show
     
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    The American Thinker did not write the IG report

    It merely reported what the IG said
     
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    I think saving GM and Chrysler was overall a good thing. I just pointed out it was not all Obama. GM creditors and bond holders got almost nothing from the GM bankruptcy. But the union's benefit trust fund got billions.
    The Ledbetter act simply extended the amount of time a person had to file an equal pay suit with the court or EEOC. IMO, it was probably a good thing but a big picayune ho-hum that only helps procrastinators. People have been able to sue for equal treatment/pay since the federal law was passed in the 60s
     
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    I posted 4 links to 4 articles. None shown any minority preference.

    I even showed one where black dealerships lost 22% of the overall dealerships. And crickets.
    It shows a partisan rag is not a good source of info.

    He claims the IG said it. No proof of that either. But must get daily jabs in at non whites. Forever tRUMPers.
     

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