TERROR 'HAVEN' Taliban is ALREADY offering ‘safe haven’ to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in bid to create

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  1. Jack Hays

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    No one in South America faces the barbarism now ruling Afghanistan, and immigration strengthens the US.
     
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    How is South America's barbarism less dangerous than Afghanistan's barbarism?
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    Simply not in the same league.
     
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    I wish we would: those cartels just poisoned my sister n law to death with fentynal 2 months ago.
     
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    If they have decided to stay put in Herat, then what can I say? You put yourself in a war zone, and don't have the common sense to leave when US announced a pull-out over a year ago, then you're on your own. Maybe there were some US Citizens who decided to live in a hootch in South Vietnam and didn't have the common sense to get out, then whose fault is that?

    Oh my........LOL When are they going to start? Soon, right?
     
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    Do you understand why people are arguing this is abandonment? By definition, abandonment doesn't usually come with ample notice.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are correct. 35,000 people are murdered in Mexico every year, which makes it far worse than Afghanistan.
     
  8. Jack Hays

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    And over 16,000 are murdered every year in the US. But in neither country are the murders rooted in a religious or political agenda. Sorry, but your attempt to deflect has run its course.
     
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    I didn't bring up Mexico, but its true. Violence there is worse than Afghanistan, and we are their partners vis globalist USMCA, AND they are poisoning / killing American citizens by sending drugs to the US.
     
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    Yes. That's a law enforcement matter.
     
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    And Afghan situation was an enforcement issue as well, but enforcers which we trained and equipped decided to join the Taliban. Well, we also agreed to turn over power to Taliban, so there is that.
     
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    We abandoned our allies in the middle of a fight. Cowardice drove Trump and Biden. Dishonor is what they achieved.
     
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    We chose to honor the will of "We The People" as opposed to will of Afghan people (who betrayed us as soon as they had a chance). Much like Mexico, we are not responsible for Afghanistan. Only bankers and neocons (because bankers own neocons) want perpetual war. As I said earlier I thought we could have left bases and airfield there, but that was not meant to be. Its a mess now, but a year from now people will be happy we are out.

    Nah, its actually very easy to play the tough guy while sitting in the oval office. It takes some courage to make tough calls and own them later. Biden is not an impressive president but at least he owned the decision.
     
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    I have already explained why we should have stayed. We are not going to agree, and have now passed the point of diminishing returns. A year from now the dishonor will remain.
     
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    Some people still see Vietnam that way, but at the same time most understand that we could not stay there forever. We The People demanded an end to it. We are not responsible for the well being of the whole world.
     
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    What about beslan did you wish to say .. and why do you think this helps the case for Biden /Obama
     
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    You would think getting foreigners out would be in their best interest too, because once they are gone, they can start implementing their agenda.


    exactly. Of course they will want some left behind to make an example of.......
     
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    I'm sorry, I forget, did Obama get Osama bin Laden, or was it Putin or a republican pres.
     
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    Britain didn't want Russia to have control over Constantinople and the Dardinelles, so they supported the Ottomans in the Crimean war, even though the Christian population in Constantinople was the majority at the time.

    Had the allies been able to come to an agreement about the Treaty of Sevres after WWI, things would have been different. Erdogan feels the only reason Attaturk was willing to accept the Treaty of Lausanne and give up the Greek islands, was because he was fearful of the Treaty of Sevres.


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    Didn't say Obama/Biden did "nothing" Good - took what 10 years but was a good thing .. Then what did those clowns do after catching that bad guy.. now there is the rub. "Next thing you know we are arm in arm with Al Qaeda" and Brother El Saud ... on the quest to turn as many places as possible into Islamist Jihadist Vunderland - Just as Ol Bin Ladin would have wanted .. fulfulling his dream .. his mission a complete success.

    Not exactly a happy ending to the 911 bedtime story.
     
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    Your scenario is a wee bit far fetched. Now you claim Putin is better, yet he has done nothing on the international stage and is willing to work with the Taliban.

    I will take Obama or Biden or even bush Jr over Putin.
     
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    There's a difference between being responsible for the well being of the world, and making a mess of the world.


    And all that violence and killings in Mexico could have been stopped years ago if we had legalized drugs, and allowed addicts to get prescriptions to satisfy their addiction. We are to blame for it.

    Central and South America have a different foundation, so the majority of the people are civilized. Afghanistan is a semi barbarous mountainous country, and what we perceive as being cruel and uncivilized, is not what the Afghans consider uncivilized. I say this because in the refugee camps in Greece, the ones who commit rapes and other atrocities are always Afghans - never Syrians.
     
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    Occupations typically end up creating a mess. Look at Iraq, which was occupied by the British. That's when things started going in the wrong direction.

    Nonsense. If we legalize drugs, the demand will go up, as will production South of the border.
     
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    Perhaps you have been out of the loop. Obama Biden spent most of the last decade fighting 2 wars side by side Al Qaeda and Brother El Saud.

    In Syria - with the Help of USA - Brother El Saud - and a bunch of other nations - a new Islamic State was created. Putin defeated the Islamic State - defeated our proxy army.

    Over in Yemen - Our actions have been condemned by the ICC as complicity in war crimes - arm in arm with Brother El Saud - and Al Qaeda.

    Putin did not intervene in this case - Iran has been helping the Houthi's to fight against our Islamist Jihadist proxy army.


    This is not "taking" one over the other. This is about who did more to fight/ discourage terrorism . Putin wins hands down.
     

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