Terrorist attack at Finsburgh Park

Is that why you defend Islam whenever possible? Because you dislike "ALL organized faiths"?

 

Is it startling because it refuted your argument?

 

So you concede the point I take it then?


Also, that number is almost double .... that is a HUGE deal when we are talking about the numbers in question

 

No, because it's an insignificant statistic. You carry on and panic, Brewskier, there's a good chap.

 

Here was your post:

You were speaking broadly about religion, not limiting your criticisms to just Christianity.

Oh, by the way, the Bronze Age occurred a long time before Christianity, so you would be wrong there, as well.

 

So when you make the claim that Islam is only growing because of population growth, and someone refutes that argument with statistics, those statistics are insignificant? Seems pretty significant in regards to your defeated argument, doesn't it?

 

A population growth of 1.1% is insignificant whichever way you choose to spin it. If your salary was increased by 1.1% or even 1.8%, would you be impressed?

 

No, what I will concede is that I'm surrounded by panic-stricken, frightened bigots who are terrified of being 'overrun', and who see the word 'Muslim' and translate it as 'terrorist'.

 

Culture teaches you that and religion plays a huge role in any culture.. Do you feel you're sophisticated?

 

I have no idea what the consequences of breaking the blasphemy laws were in general, in the case of Monty Python, performances were banned. It never made it past the censorship board.

And the usual big public hoo har and witch hunting blasphemers ensued.

Jesus Christ SuperStar was another one that fell foul of Blasphemy laws here.

I don't remember the details of this well, I was a child at the time. The 70's.

 

I am atheist and so all religions are fairy tales for me... but there are people who want to have religion and so they can believe in whatever to be their god.

My principle is Prussian and the most famous king of Prussia has put it in a nutshell about religion ... yes, a very evil Prussian who was mega right told the following and no evil Lefty was it:

"Everyone should be happy in my country according to his Facon (means religion). I as the first servant of the state, only expect that all respect and follow my laws and rules, no matter to which god they pray!"


And no, Islam will not dominate in Europe, simply because we are all far too secular in Europe in meantime and so is the majority of Muslims too, but this is of course denied by all these morons of Islam haters who what to have only a big enemy again to blame for all and everything and not some untouchable persons called terrorists as detailed target!

 

Well he is in court now and seems to have become obsessed against Muslims believing they should all be killed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42778184

In court today it has come out that he joined twitter and started getting private messages from leaders in Britain First and from Tommy Robinson. It does sound like they may have stirred him up provoked him. He says he got a text from I think the deputy leader of Britain First on the day he did it. These things don't seem to be in print yet but heard on BBC 1 lunchtime news.

 

The Golden Rule is independent of Christianity and the Christian scriptures frequently contradict it. And democracy =/= Christianity. The Christian scriptures support the divine right of kings. There is nothing about democracy in there.

 

I am not panic stricken or frightened nor do I mistranslate anything. It's not that I don't like Muslims or Islam or any of its faces from progressive to Jihadist. In actuality I am supremely impressed with the beauty of many of its teachings, its focus on family structure and the brutality and violence it allows for in the spreading of its doctrine. All wrapped up into a cute little present that even can be a political apparatus.

Being impressed doesn't mean not aware. Being impressed doesn' mean I am blind to the fact that the most efficient religion on the planet if left unchecked would easily over run the planet. It's designed to survive and grow. It evolved into that. It's perfect in those aspects. Kinda like the Borg.

I simply don't like some things about Islam. I don't like a religion telling me how to live my daily life on 100 different things or it's blasphemy. I don't like it's 17th century treatment of women where in many countries millions of women are unable to vote, drive a car, or receive their fathers wealth via a will, or even show their face. The list is long. If that makes me a bigot because I don'
like it and want it slowed down then so be it.

Uneducated, poorly spoken, or rather unenlightened iindividuals who blindly lash out against Muslims or Islam in easily trolled ways may be low brow but instinctively they are correct. It's a natural defense mechanism of survival. They feel threatened and so say and do stupid things against the faith.

Recent geopolitical events in say last twenty years have magnified and proven the sheer power and perfection of Islam as a political and societal control mechanism. It fascinates me really. Literally to just mass migrate 15 million people thousands of miles where you are still by FAR the minority and maintain 100% integrity of your societies core structure? It defies logic. If that's not perfection I don't know what is.

That's why Americans overall don't
want Muslim migration. The only thing people hate more than taxes is change. So we will keep the Muslim faith in its manageable form for now. Not here

Cheers all. God Bless America.

 

This is the justification for outlawing hate speech that Americans just can't accept.
Hate speech can lead directly to the murder of innocent people like it did here and in Charlottesville but apparently freedom of speech overrules the right to worship non-Christian Gods without fear of being murdered.

 

Well in the UK we do have laws against incitement to hate/violence. I am not sure these laws would have made much difference here. What seems to have happened is that this man had a strong reaction to a Documentary on Muslim men raping girls in Rochdale. Once that happened and he got in contact with the hate spreaders through twitter, it is being described as him being 'groomed' in a very similar way I would say to how say the 7/7 British Muslim bombers were before they committed their attack. So yes, basically on one level we are seeing a psychological response which our actions can affect and at the same time we can see that this is the same response which is made by vulnerable Muslims and in this instance by a vulnerable Englishman - if you look back on this thread you will see many were encouraging him if my memory serves me well.


What also should be noted is that the people who appear to have been pushing him to commit his terrorist act were the very same people whose anti Muslim words Trump was tweeting in the US which caused such anger here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-van-latest-court-trial-muslims-a8174086.html

 

As it is only Muslims who go out to murder innocent people when hearing "Hate Speech" it strongly suggests that the US should simply prevent Muslims from entering the country.

People cannot have the free speech denied because of some overly sensitive Muslims, and shouldn't expect to. Does any civilized person seriously think that some seventh century throwbacks should be dictating speech laws to ecucated people? It's nonsense.

 

So when ISIS does it, it's terrorism.
But when some white nazi does the same thing... it's like not in your eyes?

 

They do know. Otherwise they would say that they don't know if it was a terrorist attack.

 

Can't understand what this guy could possibly have against Muslims. What have they ever done to people in the UK? Well, OK, there is that, and that, and there was that, and that, but .........

 

Eggxactly!

 

That's just willfully dishonest.

 

Then please point out any dishonesty.

 

This was a disgusting act.
Unfortunately, the attacker's religion probably taught him that Muslims are so bad and vile that they (like all non-Christians) deserve nothing more (no matter how ethical they might be!) than brutal savage TORTURE, FOREVER. So of course this attacker would hate Muslims - just like his prophet Jesus does. Hatred like this starts at the top (Jesus/god).....simply pick a different invisible friend in the sky ("Allah", in this case), and Jesus hates Muslims for that. How disgusting.

The problem is that Christians DEFEND Jesus' hatred of Muslims, so attacks like this will likely continue.

I hope the victims recover.

 

I value Muslims as much as I value followers of my own belief system (Modern Secular Humanists.) This attacker's prophet (Jesus) can't say the same thing, so hatred like this will continue until that religion ends.