Terrorists fire rockets from Gaza hospital

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  1. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What might explain Hamas rockets from a hospital?
    How about an illegal blockade of Gaza by Jews who want all the land between the River and the sea for themselves?
     
  2. DrewBedson

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    Blockade is legal

    UN report: Gaza blockade legal, Israel doesn't owe Turkey apology for Marmara

     
  3. Private Citizen

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    One dead Israeli caused this genocide in Gaza. No investigation, They call it murder not an act of war. That is what courts are for. Not armies and air strike's. Israel must be feeling pretty tough dropping bombs on a refugee camp. They have no military! So every attack by Israel is on civilians. Kids at the beach! Wow! They call it a war... how what military or state is Israel attacking?
     
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    Speaking of European Jews as non Semitic... I did not know that when someone opts for a new religion the primordial requirement is to make sure he is a Semite.

    In the Seventh Century when the hordes of Mohammad conquered Land and People from the Atlantic to the end of Indonesia, Malaysia etc, and <forced them into Islam by the sword> did they ask them if they were Semites???

    Same thing with Christianity... no Priest demands the background of any new adherent before Baptism.
     
  5. georgephillip

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    "According to Princeton University professor emeritus of international law Richard Falk, there exists an "overwhelming consensus" view among qualified international law specialists that both the blockade and its enforcement are illegal.[28]
    In September 2011, a UN investigative committee concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade is legal.[24][25][26] The opinion, written by the Chair (Sir Geoffrey Palmer) and Vice-Chair (Alvaro Uribe) is not a definitive finding in either fact or law, but merely the personal view of the authors,[173] neither of whom has expertise on international law of the sea or the laws of war.[174] In a separate statement published in the report, the Turkish representative of the four-person Panel of Inquiry, Süleyman Özdem Sanberk, expressed disagreement and declared that the vast majority of the international community supported the legal arguments presented by Turkey which considered the blockade illegal."

    Why are some Jews convinced all the land between the River and the sea belongs to Israel?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip#Legal_arguments
     
  6. DrewBedson

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    Seems there is no binding authority to state it is illegal and, since the two are at war in a conflict that the Palestinians themselves declared, the blockade is a legal act of war. If this is not the case and the two are not at war, why then is Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians?

    Why does the entire leadership of the Palestinian people in Gaza believe that

    &#8220;Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on any inch of the land.&#8221;
     
  7. georgephillip

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    The two are not at war. Israel is the occupying power of the Gaza Strip and as such it has an obligation and a duty to protect civilians under its occupation. Hamas rockets fly because Israel wants all the land between the River and the sea and resorts to collective punishment of civilians to obtain it.
     
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    15 May 1948 Palestinians declared war on Israel along with the rest of the Arab League. If they are not at war please tell the audience when the peace treaty was signed, where it was signed, by whom and what it is known as.

    False. Israel pulled it's forces out of Gaza years ago and Gaza is known as being occupied only in title as the entire state of Palestine is known as the Occupied Palestinian Territories, not the"Occupied Palestinian Territories (except for Gaza)"

    Even so, if Gaza were occupied (which it is not) Israel would be responsible as you say however, it also would have the authority to punish those who fight it, enforce those who endanger women and children, take out infrastructures that threaten it's people etc so in effect, it would have just as much authority to use destructive force if not more.

    Yes I can see I am speaking with a terrorist supporter. In your world killing missionaries, flying aircraft into skyscrapers, bombing federal buildings full of civilian workers, kidnapping girls from schools and raping them is perfectly justifiable actions taken for real or imaginary slights.

    pffft
     
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    That must explain Israel's complete withdrawal from Gaza....As far as collective punishment is concerned - Hamas rockets is collective punishment, so are boycotts and BDS that I bet you support. Somehow I don't think that they being collective punishment bother you a bit.
     
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    Hello ? Anybody home ?
    It's only a matter of time when Muslim Arabs will expand their terror acts & shoot rockets on Europe ... then we will not see such BS comments.
     
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    You still don't know WHY the Israelis withdrew from Gaza, do you?
     
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    Your selective use of quotes and statements used for propaganda purposes by Israeli apologists for the pounding of civilian infrastructure including schools and hospitals is a red-herring since Hamas has publicly said it is willing to accept a Palestinian state with 1967 borders and thereby will effectively recognize Israel. The truth is the Charter has long ago been unrepresentative of Hamas aims and as such is an historical relic.

    Most importantly, Hamas dropped its call for the destruction of Israel in its election manifesto in 2006. Three years later, Meshaal said unequivocally that he would accept a Palestinian state within the pre-1967 borders, the basis for all peace negotiations, a statement that implicitly recognises Israel's right to exist.

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-eas...-part-terrorism-part-good-works#ixzz38fdZtSSy

    Then a year later in 2010 Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant but cannot be changed for internal reasons" http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives...ce-of-nonviolent-palestinian-resistance-.html

    Those who spout obsessively about the Hamas Charter for ideological reasons tend to derive narrow readings of Hamas's military position. In so doing they ignore the research into its political work. They ignore, for example, analysis by other experts such as Menachem Klein, who wrote,

    “The differences between the party’s platform and the Islamic Charter do not represent an attempt at deception or the empty and unconsidered use of words. They are a product of a change and modification of lines of thought as a part of the process by which Hamas has become a political movement.”

    Klein explains that Hamas will not revoke their Charter because it represents an important historical document for the group, which was written at the time of their inception during the first Intifada. The Charter, however, is not representative of Hamas in its current form.

    There are more contemporary Hamas documents, such as their 2006 election manifesto, which describes Hamas’s broader vision for Palestinian society and which author Khaled Hroub states, “could be said that the document was designed to carry out exactly the kinds of reform that had been demanded by Western governments and financial institutions.” Still, US and EU officials continue to be obtusely obsessed with Hamas’s Charter. Through this reductionist and reified reading of Hamas, Western officials continue to be blind to Hamas’s politics. Hamas founder and current member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, Khalil al-Aya expressed in an interview,

    “Hamas gave lots of flexibility in lots of places. We had things that were strategic and things that were fixed. For example, we had that program with all the fractions of Gaza/ Palestine- we agreed for it. And until now the EU did not catch this initiative, and see that Hamas was already very flexible. And we have the agreements with Israel with the other parties and we accept 1967 borders- with the right to return. And this is big. But this did not affect them; it did not move them.”

    Hamas is a pragmatic and flexible political actor and focusing on its 1988 Charter completely misses Hamas’s contemporary identity. However, disgracefully the US and European states maintain their uneducated or purposefully misleading understanding of Hamas.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/understanding-hamas.html

    Even honest Western establishment figures recognize the Charter is used as a political and ideological tool and is irrelevant. Sir Jeremy Greenstock, for example, argued that Hamas have not adopted their charter since they won the Palestinian legislative election in 2006 as part of their political program. But rather, have moved to a more secular stance:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7823000/7823746.stm

    On the other hand, the Likud Charter states that "the Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river."
     
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    The lies from the Israeli hardliners are consistent and glaring.
     
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    Yep, they are Hasbara trolls and not worth spending any more of your time on.
     
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    According to the anti-Israel posters on this site Israel withdrew every settler and soldier from Gaza and handed over its property and settlements to Gazans as part of their grand scheme of Greater Israel.

    The strangest thing is that this does not seem like a contradiction in the minds of Israel haters lol
     
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    Borat.. there were 8,000 "settlers" in Gaza guarded by 20,000 IDF.. and the parents of the young soldiers protested it as stupidity.. which IMO it was.. That was the reason for the withdrawal.. It was a fool's errand and financially a serious loser.
     
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    Answer this - do you know WHY the Egyptians never wanted any connection with Gaza ?
    Why all Arabs hate Palestinians the most, next to Jews ??
     
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    You are ignorant and badly informed.. Historically Gaza always belonged to Egypt.. and in the past century Gaza was administered by Egypt.

    As more and more refuges were herded into Gaza from the West Bank and the Negev.. Gaza has become more desperate and volitale ..

    Palestinians live and work all over the Arab world since 1948.. and for the most part they are valued citizens. However, like any destitute, angry refugee population.. there are troublemakers.

    The Jews themselves had this experience with their own refugee population in the run up to WW2 and the resettling of Holocaust survivors after the war..
     
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    Palestinians declared war on Israel in May of 1948, really?
    Which Palestinian signed that declaration?
    Israel currently occupies Gaza by controlling its land borders, air space, coastal waters and population registry; please explain how Jews can simultaneously occupy a territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them?

    I see you're impressed by the Greatest Purveyor of Violence in the World and its little loyal Jewish Ulster and their heroic contribution to the millions of innocent Muslims who have been maimed, murdered, incarcerated, and displaced since 1991.

    Do you not recognize terrorism when you see it?
     
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    The Jews have been inventing history since Old Testament days.. Nothing new here.
     
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    Im starting to realise that!
     
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    What I find funny is liberal defense of Hamas.

    Hamas Charter.

    So a Theocracy is preferred eh? For Hamas, this is a religious war against Israel and according to Hamas, Israel is the occupation of Muslim land and only by destroying Israel will their Charter be accomplished.

    They do not believe in negotiation, only violence to achieve their means.

     
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    And how exactly does it fit into the Greater Israel theory of yours. One would assume that they would send more settlers and more troops into Gaza, build more settlements all over it.

    Those crafty jews withdrew instead and have made no attempt to resettle Gaza. you never know what they have up the sleeve but they sure can't fool Israel haters on this side, there is no doubt in their feeble minds that the withdrawal was part of the Greater Israel plan. Lol
     
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    Israel denies Palestinians the right to govern and protect themselves while invoking the right of self defense at the same time; cynics would argue that's being done to evade accountability.

    When Israel "left" Gaza in 2005 it declared the Gaza Strip to be "hostile territory" essentially declaring war on a population it retained effective control over. Currently, Israel controls the territories air space, coastal waters, electromagnetic sphere, population registry, and the movement of all goods and people in and out.

    Would you not resist such an occupation if you "lived" in Gaza?
     
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    Hamas&#8217; evil lurks beneath the surface

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    Only by ignoring the Hamas Charter can you claim that Israel is the problem.
     

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