Texas Will Require Burial of Aborted Fetuses

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  1. ecco

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    And yet, a majority of the religious members of the Supreme Court decided, after careful deliberation, that aborting a fetus was not murder. Perhaps you should take the time to read Roe v Wade and see all the elements that went into their decision.

    The idea that a fetus is a living human being is based on the religious notion held by some people that a soul is implanted into fertilized egg at the moment of conception.
     
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    Why do you consider a fetus to be a human being? Does it have anything to do with a "soul"?

    About 30% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort. Is god responsible for that?
     
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    Explain why you think something you call murder should go unpunished?

    ...and I won't bother to ask how you could even get to the "punishment" stage. The discovery, charging, investigation, would be impossible...:)
     
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    No one gets themselves pregnant and there is NO obligation to sustain the life of anyone else with your own body.
     
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    Since the state is requiring the burial, the state should pay for it. Take extra taxes from anti choicers to pay for it.

    I am so fecking glad I live in a free country.

    ETA: I'm pretty sure a court will issue an injunction blocking enforcement while the law is challenged. I highly doubt it will survive.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am conservative. I do not believe in your buybull so it's irrelevant to me. However, that verse applies to one specific person, not all.

    Women are not broodmares for the barren. We do not owe anyone a baby. I do not believe adoption is a good choice, so I would never, ever relinquish a child. I would abort, and it is not murder. In fact, if it's legal, it cannot be murder.
     
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    In the 60's abortion was illegal. Do you really think that you would have known about the girls who got illegal abortions?
     
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    That's because religious fanatics wanted to promote their ideas, obviously.

    Do you really think that our laws are a source of medical truth?
     
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    I'm a normal person. I'm an atheist. I have respect for human life, especially the alive human women who have to make very difficult decisions. I respect them if they decide to go through with unwanted pregnancies. I respect them if they decide to get an abortion. I do not have respect for embryos. An embryo is not a human life. The concept of an embryo being a human life is a religious concept based on the concept of a soul.
     
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    Because religious legislators, like the ones in Texas who passed the Thimble Coffin Law[SUP]1[/SUP], often pass laws to pander to their religious constituents.



    [SUP]1[/SUP]I will refer to the law referenced on the OP as the Thimble Coffin Law for reasons I posted earlier.
     
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    How do you intend to punish women for "murdering" their fetuses?

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    Ironic!
     
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    Are they going to bury all late menstruations? What about medical abortions? These are done at home?
     
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    The States require all bodies to be buried or cremated, you can't just dump your dearly departed uncle in the backyard. Does the State pay for that?
     
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    Not.even.remotely.comparable.
     
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    Again we have to ask what is to be hurried in an early medical abortion? The dirty pad?
     
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    On 19 December 2016, a new Texas law will go into effect requiring aborted fetal remains be either buried or cremated. But The Satanic Temple, an atheistic activist organization that uses the legal system to counter laws influenced by religion, says their members are immune because the rule violates their tenets. According to the Texas Tribune, the rule was quietly proposed in July 2016 by the state's Health Services department at the behest of Gov. Greg Abbott, who touted the rule in fundraising emails, in which he wrote:

    "I believe it is imperative to establish higher standards that reflect our respect for the sanctity of life. This is why Texas will require clinics and hospitals to bury or cremate human and fetal remains"
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    Interesting. This group has won other legal challenges.
     
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    There are more than just those two options.

    The body can be entombed in an above ground vault, they can be buried at sea or they can be donated to science.

    Why should the relatives be denied those options by the state of Texas?
     
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    Why is that? The law considers the unborn in murder cases where a pregnant woman is killed, it becomes a double murder so why wouldn't the law consider the same with the need for burial?

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    I didn't say that. The law considers the aborted unborn be treated as a dead body to be disposed as such, not just tossed in the medical waste bin.
     
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    emphasis mine
    Atheists do not believe in Satan. Atheists do not believe in any supernatural entities.
     
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    Not where I am. MY country is consistent.




    Should I have had to bury my finger that was bit off by a horse and which couldn't be reattached?
     
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    The remains of the aborted fetus are donated to medical science which is a legitimate means of disposal. Onus is on you to prove otherwise.
     
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    Our local hospital incinerates most of its medical waste anyway, so I am not sure the distinction being made here.
     
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    So where there is an early medical abortion - at around 8 weeks which is normal that means the foetus is 6 weeks old - remember to minus two weeks when talking of gestational age versus developmental age - and at that it is about the size of a small clot, Must the woman then bring her dirty pad into the clinic for them to "bury"?
     
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    Consistently what?

    If your finger has it's own beating heart....yes.
     
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    Like the body of any other organ donor, what's left of the body must be buried. It's not that hard.
     

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