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Text messages link Ukraine investigation and Trump meeting

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Translation: Now all a democrat has to do to avoid being investigated for corruption is throw his hat in the ring. Of course the obvious hypocrisy is the left loved it when the same thing happened to Trump. Must be because the hysteria about Trump failed that they now defend democrat corruption.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean we are not supposed to use the treaty with Ukraine that Bill Clinton signed to look into corruption? Why are you against investigating corruption?
     
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    Do Democrats ever not give a pass to their criminals? Yes, no? I'm not going to point finger at Trump until you all point finger at Bidens. And Bidens are in hiding and will continue being in hiding until all this blows over. Unless AG Barr does his job, fast.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good, good. And since **** with Bidens happened well before Trump's events, does not it follow, Bidens should be investigated first, and Trump second?
     
    Dutch, Oct 4, 2019
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    Strange, given the suggestion that the US president is abusing his power to help him win next year's election, that you would suggest deferring the investigation. I'd say investigate both at once. You support that?
     
    Brit, Oct 4, 2019
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Didn't you get your tax cut?
     
    Egoboy, Oct 4, 2019
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No... Trump is the president and the much larger danger to American National Security. You investigate and resolve based on CURRENT threat level, not age of supposed past actions...

    Not even a close call there...
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And this post is why you can safely be ignored for the rest of this thread...

    Good... less noise...
     
    Egoboy, Oct 4, 2019
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    Borat, Oct 4, 2019
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    Show us the section in that treaty that allows the POTUS to withhold funds that Congress approved and also allows his PERSONAL lawyer to work with a foreign Government in order to open a new investigation on a political opponent.

    I'll wait.
     
    WalterSobchak, Oct 4, 2019
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    I stopped responding to that particular poster a while ago. Trumpservatives are clueless for the most part, but wow.
     
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    Each side's politicians always gives a pass to their own. That's what the politicians do. The voters don't have to hold themselves to the same standard. When the voters do it, it's purely tribal bullshit.

    Investigate the Biden's. Investigate the conduct of the Obama administration in 2016. But Trump at this point is just daring people to catch him on his bullshit. Why, on live TV, talk about asking China to investigate Biden? He's brazen because he knows his voters ignore anything bad that he does or has ever done. And none of you will ever see a problem with it until the day comes that there's the liberal version of Trump in the White House. Then all of a sudden, your valuation of standards and ethics and integrity will magically return, but you'll never make the connection between you selling yours in 2016 and it's magical return when your guy isn't in the White House anymore.
     
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    The visit is a clear example of quid pro quo; less serious than aid, no doubt. But aid comes into the exchanges too:

    Taylor: “Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations.”
    Sondland: "Call me"

    A week later, Taylor: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign." Then Sondland's much quoted reply about the president being crystal clear there should be no quid pro quo, the day the whistleblower's existence became public. Just a touch fishy....

    You'll have to ask them. I think anyone who reflexively deflects accusations against their guy by attacking the other side is either dishonest or lost in blind partisanship.
     
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    If you are questioning why the Trump regime, if it has any evidence of criminal behavior by one of Trump's political opponents, is failing to investigate it, you make a very cogent point.

    Meanwhile, you may have noted Trump's frequent give-away when he is lying, his need to repeat his lie that may ring fake even to his ears, so accustomed to his falsehoods:

     
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    I don't particularly care what is clear to YOU... the email exchange you posted - the Bidens aren't mentioned, the aid isn't mentioned, quid pro quo in exchange for aid isn't mentioned.....

    You can speculate and insinuate till you're blue in the face but the impeachment case is DOA, stick a fork in it. Good luck impeaching Trump on him not inviting Zalensky to the WH lol

    Like i said, Schiff was leaving the hearings in tears lol
     
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    Do you accept that there is quid pro quo in those messages?
     
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    @Dutch is OK on limited topics and in limited doses... this is obviously not in his wheelhouse...

    A guy on MSNBC just made a great statement... I hadn't thought of this angle, but think about this..

    As can be seen in these texts, the Ukrainians are somewhat resisting putting out these US written statements. So, when are the "corrupt" Ukrainians going to start investigating the US for this current corruption??

    The irony is 100%...
     
    Egoboy, Oct 4, 2019
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    Lol poor libs, from salivating about a phone call in which Trump committed a treason, they are deflated to this utterly pathetic "but but but Trump would not invite Zekinsky to the WH without the investigation of Ukraine's interference in 2016 election" in a matter of one week lol
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    :applause::applause:
     
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    Strange, you didn't answer the question.
     
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    Do you agree that you moved the goalposts so far, that they are outside the field? From treason to legitimate conditions on WH visit? Don't you feel a tad deflated?

    PS no, a white House visit is not a "quo" and demanding the investigation of Ukraine's meddling in 2016 election is perfectly legitimate. So no quid pro quo. Duh
     
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    OK, you're one of the endless deflectors. Have fun.
     
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    You too mate, good luck selling "no WH visit" is an impeachable offense lol
     
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    Ignorance is the only defense of Trump right now.
     
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    Oh, you answered. But you're seriously suggesting that "You can come to the White House once you announce an investigation" is not a quid pro quo? If I ever get done for bribery, I want you on my jury.
     
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