Text messages link Ukraine investigation and Trump meeting

And LookOverThere... that's a staple...

 

But you haven't. How are those goalposts doing, 50 miles from the field?

How is that "no WH visit and demands of election meddling investigation is an impeachable offense" nothingburger selling so far? Lol

 

Lordy, there are tapes...

 

We don't know... it's sort of a breaking story and the polls aren't there yet... I don't imagine the "don't impeach" numbers will be going UP based on this... do you??

 

My question was trying to see what common ground there was. I've not set up any goalposts in the first place so I've no idea why you think I've moved them. And I'm not saying the WH visit issue would be impeachable. But it's in the same area as what was originally raised by the whistleblower - pressuring a foreign government by withholding something they want. That you don't think that is a quid pro quo is a little mind-boggling.

 

It's about to come out that the "whistleblower" is a registered Dem who was digging dirt on Trump in Ukraine in 2016 (oh the irony), was reassigned when Trump was elected and became disgruntled...

From treason to no WH visit, from hero whistleblower to disgruntled lying vigilante.... stay tuned.

 

That is an allegation without proof and a democrat narrative.

 

I'm not convinced the average Trump supporter could even explain the concept of quid pro quo..

Makes it a lot easier to say it didn't happen if you don't know what it is....

From my chair, I still think the withholding of the military aid is going to appear to the average American as much worse than dangling a WH meeting... One could have caused deaths, while one is political posturing by both countries..

I know Trump (as usual) is all over the place on why he unilaterally withheld the aid, but the timing is what is key here.... Not to compare apples and oranges, but timing is what makes the hush money payoffs campaign finance violations (vs doing them in 2015)...

 

Absolutely, WH meeting is much less serious. I just meant it's related

 

And aren't you troubled that Taylor texted Sondland: “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign"? Is that not within your imagined goalposts? If there was no quid pro quo, why didn't Sondland tell him that on the phone?

 

Dude, absolutely any conditional transaction is quid pro quo, "if you complete the project you'll get a bonus" is quid pro quo, "if you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding" (pink floyd, the Wall) is quid pro quo, a price tag on an item for sale is quid pro quo....

Your attempts to turn innocuous things into some sort of malicious "quid pro quo" are frankly transparent, pathetic and utterly intellectually dishonest.

Glad you admit that conditions on WH visits aren't impeachable. Case closed, jury dismissed.

 

So it's innocuous trying to pressure another country to announce they're opening an investigation which you believe will benefit you politically?

 

To which Sondland replied that the president is absolutely clear and there is absolutely no quid pro quo....

Another intellectually dishonest attempt to turn a question by a confused nobody into condemnation of Trump

Sorry, what the Bidens did WAS quid pro quo, shake down and blackmail, Trump did no such things.

 

Investigation of Ukraine's 2016 election meddling? Yeah. you don't think it should be investigated? You think we should not prevent it from happening again? Jeez how intellectually dishonest and utterly pathetic. Sad.

Do you also think companies like Burisma should be allowed to buy influencial American politicians like Biden by bribing their immediate family members?

 

And when Ukraine wants to open an investigation into Burisma (again), they are welcome to.... on their own accord.. They decided not to...

There's your case closed...

 

Certainly. But Biden investigation is handled by the Justice Department (at least I hope so) and Trump investigation has been handled by Democrat Congress and Democrat Main Stream Media. This means, Trump investigation been occupied all the TV and Radio channels for the last 4 years while Biden investigation is handled in secrecy by JD, as it should be.

Do you think it's fair?

 

Did you read what you wrote, you seriously think a white house visit as long as you commit to 2016 election interference investigation is a bad thing? Surely you are kidding, you wanted the investigation in the 2016 now your wanting to impeach because Trump demanded it? Wow sell that to the independents, you guys want to lose in 2020 that bad?

 

1. They decided nothing, they were blackmailed into shutting down an ongoing investigation by Joe Biden the enforcer.

2. When American politicians are bought and pocketed by foreign entities, it's very much our business, not just theirs.

 

If I had a nickel for every one of your "Trump is a goner" predictions, I would not need it.

 

What, strzok and lisa are no longer relevant? The Russian collusion did not pan out, so now it is Ukrainian collusion? You'll have the same luch with that, too.

 

Oh yes... which is why the Russian/Trump connections will never go away..... but I digress...

 

Who likes having long conversations on text?

 

Said after the whistle blower was made public. Prior to that it was the ambassador complaining about it. Had he said that prior to being exposed maybe a tiny shot at credibility but having not said that before exposure despite repeated messages of concern of giving comfort to the Russians makes it CYA to the extreme but too late.

 

Yeah, he mentioned his name in the call...the transcript is clear. He never mentioned investigating Joe Biden...just look into what he was bragging about

 

No my friend, is not the reason you've stopped responding to my posts... it's just you've no answers to my questions.

You're not the first and not the last