Thanks to Cliven Bundy he has exposed the bigger picture

I assume someone asked him about it because I've seen video tape of his comments.
He's wearing a tie and talking to someone off camera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbnRnhrNFEY

This is beside the point anyway and as usual you have everything all wrong. Whether Bundy is a wonderful guy or not is immaterial
and government abuse of power is STILL the issue you guys want to avoid over everything else. But Bundy's character is not a threat to the citizenry
the way an over zealous police state is so guess what? I'm not going to cooperate.

The left wants to talk about debt?
Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding? They've gone wild with this story! I'd say to do a Google search and look at the left going wild but I doubt the truth would make an impact on you.

In this forum alone there must be, or have been, at least four or five threads on the issue.
If you truly believe what you are claiming it's a frightening glimpse into the leftist brain.

 

I have yet to have anyone explain to me what the abuse of power is. This man owes money to the federal government for grazing fees like the rest of the ranchers had to pay and did. This man doesn't technically own the land. The land actually belongs to all of us. But, that doesn't give him squatters rights over everyone else when everyone else is paying taxes on that land all of us own that he personally uses to profit off of. Right is right. And what this man is doing is wrong. He has lost in court. There is no government over reach. Bundy is the only overreach in this case.

 

Are you just as insulted by the millions of illegals using our land and resources for ntohing?

 

I dunno, depends on whether you have the intellectual wherewithal to correctly comprehend the meaning of the phrase "your posts" or not? Do you?

 

Your question reveals 100% evidence you are unable to explain government out reach with any kind of intelligent rebuttal because there is no out reach that exists in this matter. You just proved that to the rest of us. Which means this is a cut and dry case against Bundy. That is why you asked me the off-topic question by trying to change the narrative.

 

I'm sure the moderators get the picture if they happen to read it.

 

Got it! No ....you aren't very concerned at all about
massive illegalities when they are committed by tens of millions of illegal aliens.

So all your dishonest bull (*)(*)(*)(*) about your concern for the principles of the law is just that. Bull (*)(*)(*)(*)!

 

It's conducting a paramilitary raid on the Bundy ranch, in illegal violation of the court order that the BLM itself obtained. It's wantonly shooting Bundy cattle and shooting up water tanks and lines
It's sticking guns in the face of Cliven Bundy and his family (when some of them weren't being tased of having a police dog set on them) when not one single other debtor to our government, in the entire nation, has been subjected to these Gestapo-like tactics.
You know assault (a technical legal term) made through the barrel of a gun is a felony, right?

Right is right when you are Cliven Bundy.
But when you cross the border by the millions and environmentally rape the BLM managed border ecology you really don't care much, do you.

It seems your outrage and zeal for the law is extremely conditional.

That he (Bundy) owes money is a given but you can't act like the Mafia to go get your money back and millions of people owe the government money.
I'm only aware of one, however, that sets off a multi million dollar police state response however. I'd like to think eventually you will understand but I'm not sure you will.

 

And here I am in Idaho, where about 60% is owned by the feds. Many in this state want to take it back (as if we ever owned it in the first place). This state can't even pay for the basic needs of its own students. How in the world do they think they can manage all that land?

 

He said he did not even recognize the US government as existing. See 3:20 of the clip. It's there in living color.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04...tic-defense-welfare-rancher-cliven-bundy.html

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http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/22/jon-stewart-tears-sean-hannitys-idiotic-defense-welfare-rancher-cliven-bundy.html

At 3:20.

 

Did I forget to mention your tone in this conversation is also quite out of taste while revealing your failures to engage the original topic by insisting on changing it due to the fact you have no rebuttal to our original conversation? It's obvious with the 100% evidence I have that you are unable to answer the government over reach question, there isn't a lot of need for me to keep embarrassing you by forcing you to make a fool of yourself with your not so eloquent rhetoric.

 

Here is the paramilitary. And it ain't the government. Who do you suppose he's pointing his weapon at? His fellow American citizen would be my guess. Possibly a federal agent. Just about as bright as Bundy.

 

He has no use for the federal government, but if it weren't for them he would never sell his cattle courtesy of the USDA for inspecting the meat that goes to market.

He's supposed to be glad that there's government bureaucracy standing between his meat and the open market? We the buyers can be glad for those health and safety standards, but they're hardly beneficial to the beef producers.

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So? If the feds can show up and point their guns at people, people can point their guns right back. Kinda balances things out.

 

Your argument is etched in so much nonsense, one has a hard time knowing where to begin. So I won't. I will only conclude with this; if you think for a New York second that the federal agents are going to show up to Bundy's place with popcorn and cotton candy you are badly mistaken. Once the Feds found out he was going to be backed by an armed militia supporting him for breaking the law, they had to show up there armed. The feds have a job to do. And Bundy has been breaking the law for twenty years ripping off the tax payer. Do you actually believe they would show up to his house with flowers? Government over reach? Lol! You don't even know what the phrase means.

 

This has already been dealt with. His "I don't even recognize the US government as existing" is in the context of the BLM and it's near ownership of Nevada.

And by Stewart's own admission Bundy is wont to ride around holding a large US flag....I'll leave it to honest people to judge if Bundy truly
is repulsed by his own country.

 

Nonsense seems to be a contagious disease around here. Are you aware of what you just said? "The bureaucracy is hardly beneficial to the beef producers". "DUDE, you are kidding me right? You do know that without those bureaucracies, there would be no need to even have beef producers right? Lol! That was a good one.

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After making this statement, I'm convinced you are the guy laying on the pavement with the AK 47.

 

I accept your capitulation. For once you show a glimmer of smarts.

I actually never thought that would happen.

Sorry, Bud. But militia supporters showed up as a reaction to the BLM only after the armed invasion and in any event, the BLM still broke the law in a variety of ways.

You need to get your facts straight.

 

That doesn't excuse him for breaking the law. The two entities are totally different.

 

How so?

Lying, not laying. "Lay" is a transitive verb.

And, thank you. I don't own any guns myself, but I'm happy to be associated with freedom-minded patriots who take a brave stand against government tyranny.

 

The facts of the BLM breaking the law are? And we will need links from you to back up these facts of yours where it is documented they broke the law in order for this to be true. Otherwise it is a lie.

 

I've never said Bundy wasn't in the wrong, but then in a much, much, much bigger way so was the BLM and what's a bigger threat to the nation?

Some cows eating some grass in the middle of nowhere? Or the heavy handed police state thugs that violated the law and shot cattle and
Bundy's water system?

Does the missing vegetation (that regenerates itself) pose a threat to you? Or how about the loss of your civil rights to goons with guns in body armor?
Even you can figure that one out.

 

You're kidding right? Dude, you really do not have a clue. You do not realize that without meat inspectors inspecting the beef, that the beef cannot go out on the open market? The answer in case you do not know is "NO" it can't. Which would render a beef producer totally useless and unnecessary. Which means there would be no need in raising cattle.

 

I see. So anything you are too uninformed about to know is a lie to you? http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/04/22/congressman-blm-broke-law-in-bundy-ranch-raid/

 

Of course it could go on the market. In fact, it could do so with far less hassle. I'm talking about a hypothetical situation where the FDA didn't exist, as I thought you were..

 

The problem with you is, when you are confronted with questions you can't answer, you peel off on another trail to avoid giving an answer. I'm giving you one more time to answer. What is the documented over reach, not your opinion, and what are the documented confirmed laws with proof, that the feds broke? If you do not answer, I'm through with your dancing around nonsense. I've been down this road before with you, and I'm not interested in entertaining your twisted dance moves once again.