Atheists are left with themselves to determine their moral standards, they have to live with the results. Those with an imaginary friend have no need for any moral standards, if their imaginary friend wants them to rape and murder, they rape and murder, if their imaginary friend tells them to sacrifice their child, they sacrifice their child, they only have to obey, they do not have to conform to a personal sense of morality, in that some of them do have a sense of right and wrong, that is outside their religion, and more a part of their humanity, the same humanity that gives atheists a moral sense.
I personally don't perform or direct the performing of abortions. I also don't take moral direction from people who get abortions or direct that they be done when lives are not at risk. Also, I don't claim to be an infallible, omnipotent, omniscient super being. And, abortion has nothing to do with the fact that you get your morals from a thing that thinks killing babies is A-OK as long as the babies' ancestors are jerks. Nice try at deflecting from your god's disgusting moral character. Babies are born in sin, so they deserve to have soldiers dash them against rocks and drive swords through their bellies? That's an awesome moral guide you have there. You are defending the slaughter of infants. That's (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.
Does this in some way respond to the theological point in question? Let me give you a hint. It's another way of avoiding the topic.
He gets a special exception, because He made the laws. He gets a special exception, because He is the Creator. He gets a special exception, because He is the source of all morals. So I can guess you're doing everything in your power, risking life and limb, to stop the killing of babies, unborn, and born alike?
So you agree that Incorpreal was crazy when he said God spoke to him directly? That, at least, is comforting.
So all those that knew of slavery in the north and south are exempt from any blame in the 1850's? So all of the NAZI's that never arrested or killed Jews are exempt from blame during the holocaust? The ones that saw their neighbors hauled off, never to return are not to blame for not saying anything during the 1940's Germany? So you know of a woman harming a baby, but you're exempt from any blame? You know of women, across the world having abortions, (we'll keep it late term) and you don't say or do anything, are you exempt?
so you'll stand in judgment of the Creator while you sit idly by and let all abortions go unchallenged? - - - Updated - - - not the answer you like anyway, huh?
I said He may give commands. C'mon BB, read it without your presuppositions. I just know for me, He doesn't speak audibly, but no I'm not a cessationist.
Actually you said if you get a command from God you have to question whether it's really from God. Extreme short term memory loss.
exactly....how does that differe from anything I've said. I don't think He speaks to me adubly. I would have to question my sanity if He suddenly did. Keep spinning BB.......
He may give commands. If He gave you one you would think you we're deluded. The only spinning going on is my head trying to keep up with your inconsistencies. - - - Updated - - - I see. Being proactive and spinning in circles before I get to you. Clever.
I don't claim to be perfectly moral. Your God does. Yet your God simultaneously commands the murder of infants, a supremely immoral act. You are worshipping an evil god and the sooner you realize that, the better.
So you'll sit in judgment of the Creator, who gave you the morals that you profess to have? So you'll sit in judgment of God, when you're complicit in babies being murdered in the millions in this nation? OK, got it. "judge not lest you be judged" huh?
Getting a bit desperate, are we? I never said He talked to you audibly. Why do you ask. You did say that if someone thought He did they should question their sanity. Already quoted that. There goes that short term memory loss again.
there you go again with presuppositions......I said "I". If he talked to "me", audibly, I'd have to question my sanity......C'mon BB, you're better than that.
I'm complicit in zero murders. I don't have the capability to stop abortions and I am opposed to any form of abortion that directly kills the fetus. Your God is supposedly omnipotent and perfectly good yet commanded the murder of innocents. Either you have to state that those acts were evil (because they are) or you need to acknowledge that any evil act you can imagine is good so long as your invisible sky mafia don says it is. That means that if God commanded a New New Covenant in which you aren't saved unless you rape, murder, and then eat a 2 year old, you would have to say that it is good. In effect, you have no morality. Any evil act can become good on your God's say so and you don't have the balls to stand up to that kind of evil because your fear hell more than your have any kind of backbone to standup to evil.
No, you're complicit. If you can stand in condemnation of the just Judge of the universe, and still not risk life and limb to stop abortions, then who are you? Job 38:1-4 English Standard Version (ESV) The Lord Answers Job 38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: 2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. - - - Updated - - - notice the "He may"......c'mon bruce....keep spinnin'.
A human being capable of detecting morality in others and their actions. Your God's actions are manifestly immoral and evil. Commanding the murder of babies is evil. And again, I do not have the capability to stop abortions. Your omnipotent God had the ability to stop the murder of infants, yet instead of stopping it, he commanded it. That is as evil as anything Mohammad did.
