The ‘Collusion’ Debate Ended Last Night

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-collusion-debate-ended-last-night

If you are being honest with yourself, then you can admit that the debate of whether collusion took place between the Trump Campaign and Russia ended during the campaign. Trump publicly asked Russian hackers to release release illegally obtained emails from his political opponent (they responded by hacking, for the first time, within 24 hours of that request) and by publicly promising dirt on his political opponent just before the Trump Tower meeting took place.

There is no crime called Collusion (Conspiracy to Defraud the United States is a crime though), but that is irrelevant. Criminal law cares about facts. Saying the President is off the hook because there is no crime called collusion is akin to saying that president could shoot someone on 5th Avenue because the law prohibits "homicide" and not "shooting."

 

There hasn't been a serious question in my mind about Russian collusion with the Trump Campaign since July 2017, when the news of the Trump Tower meeting came out...

On the Manafort news yesterday, that's not tied to Trump yet... Knowing Manafort (as little we do), it's very possible he was doing that stuff on his own.

 

If Trump was secretly colluding with the Russians, then why would he need to go on national TV and publicly ask them to release the emails?

And who is talkingpointmemos.com? As the left often says, did you see the other stuff they post on that site? They have a story about why Christians get sick and what really happened on the set of the Beverly Hillbillies.

 

Are you denying that’s what it says in the filing? Or just trying to avoid the topic?

 

Who said he needed to make that request publicly? He's a ****ing moron who often says **** that is unnecessary and is incredibly dumb.

 

Lol, Manafort whose friendship with Russian oligarchs is no secret was allegedly "funneling" mostly public and some "private polling" data to his Russian buddies. No Trump's involvement is even implied, let alone established... zero evidence of Russian government involvement either.


This is it, I am telling you, this is the breakthrough we've been waiting for, any day now, for sure... the biggest nothingburger ever LOL

Libs... too funny

 

My guess would be "avoiding the topic".

Who among Trump's echo chamber would want to face up to the facts of this latest Manafort revelation?

 

As expected...it went from no collusion, to collusion is fine!

 

Yep, not a word in the filing about collusion, not a word about Trump, not a word about the Russian government. Not a single word on these matters.

Lol poor desperate dumb libs, they now equate mentioning the word Russian in a legal document to a collusion jeez

 

No mention of the Russian govt? Lol
That’s like saying mentioning the white house is not the US govt lol
Mr. Manafort asked Mr. Gates to tell Mr. Kilimnik to pass the data to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch who is close to the Kremlin

 

We already know Hillary colluded with the Russians, the British, The Australians, MSM and even rigged the election against Bernie Sanders. Putin led Obama around by his nose.

Why do we always need to point out the obvious?

 

What you are saying would be akin to me hiring someone that did something wrong then blame me for it.

 

Lol, exactly, nothing, none of them is a member of the Russian government, they are private citizens. Duh

 

Did you read their about me section? "TPM is widely recognized as the pioneer of iterative journalism" recognized by who? On top of that, this isn't a news site, this a blog site and when you read some of the stores, from Josh Marshall, they're options not fact

 

Who had what need for trump campaign data?

 

So its still a nothing burger. Got it.

 

Where did you find that website? The source checker.

 

He was betting on one of those political betting sites for all i care, or was making business/investment decisions...I am not in the business of speculating, i deal in facts... which are stubborn

-Trump isn't involved
-No person on Russia government payroll is implicated
-No crime was committed, Manafort was ALLEGEDLY funneling public information and some "private polling" data.

Can you spell NOTHINGBURGER?

 

What happened on the Beverly Hillbillies?

 

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The review all of the news websites and sources, as far as I can tell.

 

Your whataboutism is showing.

 

Respondeat Superior

 

Manafort is effectively making a pleading to avoid spending the rest of his life in jail. Calling that nothing burger is disingenuous, at best.

 

But none the less, doing it on behalf of the campaign right ?

I agree that tying this to Trump himself will be tough, but if Manafort did this, then my gut tells me that Trump knew. I have no evidence to prove that, that is just my OPINION.

 

Trump is notorious for his micro-management style and the trump campaign was also notorious for it's top-down approach to every decision. Tying this to Trump seems exceedingly easy in my mind.