The ‘Collusion’ Debate Ended Last Night

So YOU make a statement that you cant back up, and you think we should explain it ? YOU made the assertion that what he is accused of lying about is innocuous because its “publicly available”(YOUR words), I challenge that and you post this drivel. He is accused of lying to Mueller, but its WHAT he is accused of lying about that, if true, does point to collusion. You refusing to admit that which is right in front of you is your problem, not mine.

Your debating something you don’t know anything about. You have no idea what polling data is, and how its used. But you keep digging that hole.

 

You're confused again, silly. His conversations with his Russian oligarch buddies were innocuous because he was not charged with any illegal activities related to them and the fact that most of the data was public were not my words, they were the court filing's words.

 

Just to set the RECORD straight, You heard wrong. More BS by liberal media who will lie at every opportunity. Lib readers will believe anything, true or not. The NYT was forced to issue a correction which you failed to acknowledge.

Full article: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...o-bombshell-report-on-manafort-oleg-deripaska

 

Exactly the Opening Post is simply more Fake News.

Pretty notable correction https://nyti.ms/2H0YLzj

"Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin."

 

Trump has no common sense... why does Trump do half the idiotic stuff he does?

now we have the meeting with Russians and giving Russians information to help them help Trump win

 

Thanks for that from the Toilet Paper Memo!

 

FAKE NEWS ALERT*FAKE NEWS ALERT*FAKE NEWS ALERT*FAKE NEWS ALERT

Time to cancel the ‘HOLY S*IT’? NY Times makes MAJOR correction to its reporting on Manafort and Oleg Deripaska
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019...its-reporting-on-manafort-and-oleg-deripaska/

so tell me liberals how many time are you going to allow your fake news liberal media like the NY Times burn you before you stop trusting them to be accurate and not feed you bull crap fake news

 

That means nothing, it was a public pronouncement to people he didn't even know to expose wrongdoing by his opponent. To say that's reaching is the epitome of understatement.
Dems have got to start looking at winning back the voters and not thinking they can turn back time.

 

Excellent well made point!

 

No, it's still no collusion. You'd have to prove several substantial things: 1) That the Trump Campaign willingly gave this information. 2) That the Russians asked for it. And 3) That said information was used in the advance of the collusion between the Russians and the Trump Campaign.

The only thing this proved(that we knew since October ' 18 was that Manafort acted outside of the channels of the Trump Campaign. It quite literally is old news and another nothing burger.

 

Lol...No, it’s called money laundering.

 

The Pence issue is interesting. I don't think either side would like a Pence presidency, in my view. But I don't think that an unappealing back up is reason to keep a president in office. IF Trump is found guilty of any or all the actions for which he is being accused, however, Pence should not be the reason that it is ignored.

 

If this is the legal case you'd like to make, it's seriously lacking. Because we're aware of Russian efforts with Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders(facts that the media/left tend to ignore.) Could the Russians have done that to mask their pro-Trump efforts? Perhaps, but Rosenstein didn't advance that argument legally.

Instead, the actual argument of both the DOJ and the intelligence community is that they shifted to Donald Trump only after HRC won the nomination. Theoretically, they would have participated regardless of the Republican nominee.

 

Like you, I'm impatient when it comes to the Mueller investigation. But then, I'm an impatient person at the best of times. I'd make a terrible prosecutor. But too many times we see guilty people go free because of over ambitious and, perhaps, impatient prosecutors jumping the gun. Mueller has proven himself to be a thorough and very successful prosecutor, and the country should be grateful for the 'clean up' he's done in the past. I just remind myself of that every time I feel the 'get on with it' emotion rising...

 

When you frequently verbally masturbate on national TV about only hiring the best and brightest, you put the blame on yourself when they get convicted of multiple felonies for crimes committed while on your payroll.

 

We also, by the same token see innocent people get wrongly charged due to overzealous and impatient prosecutors(not suggesting that anyone here is innocent. But the Left continues to hang onto a conspiracy theory that even the prosecution isn't advancing.)

 

But they serve an even greater purpose..........they also keep the spotlight off of the criminal at the top and normalize his own crimes.

 

This is not a left or right issue ultimately, it's an issue of national security and preserving a free America that honors the constitution & democracy.

 

You would be correct if you substituted Trumpsters for conservatives or Republcians.

So, It would seem to follow that you have no objection with your fuhrer colluding, conspiring, and working for his Russian masters.

After all, the only reason the idea isn't treason is the technicality that the US is not in a declared war at the moment.

All the more poingiant since the US is under attack right now, and has been for nearly six years.

But you don't care that the nation waging cyber war against the US, you cheer for the Presidential candidate they helped install!

 

LOL, you mean all those crimes when they were not on the payroll?

 

Show me where the court said that most of it was publicly available. I’ve read th filings an saw nothing like that. If its their in the filing show me where you getting that

You keep going back to “there were no illegal activities”, when nobody is implying there were. All anyone has ever said is that this COULD be evidence that they were working with the Russians.

You keep moving the goalposts and not addressing what I posted. But I know why

 

Like "should a president brag about grabbing women by the *****" or "should a president repeatedly launch misspelled and grammatically incorrect tweet storms at 3 am in the morning"

 

As a radical Democrat, I would embrace Mike pence 1000x times over. I would oppose his policies with the same zeal, but I would embrace him as my president.

 

I read the correction before posting my article. The conclusion remained the same.

The collusion debate is over. It happened at the highest levels of the trump campaign.

 

Jeez, I am not your mommy to spoon-feed you, read the link in the OP.



https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-collusion-debate-ended-last-night