The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

Moon Dust All made up of course because of, uh, hmm, can't think of any reason why.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080924191552.htm

 

Hey Hoosier8

Please explain how that article on moon dust discredits what Jarrah White says in his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc
(6:10 time mark)

Also, you know who Jay Windley is.
http://www.clavius.org/about.html

I'm still waiting for responses from the pro-Apollo posters here on this issue.

Jay Windley maintains that it's impossible to transport and place dust-free sand without causing enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over. Do you agree with him?

 

I'll take your word for it on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5GiF_mX5w

By the way, the pan the one guy shoots with his camera early in this video can be found here:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/images15.html#12420
"148:02:20 Dave's Station 8 Pan ... Dave took this ALSEP pan while Jim was digging his Station 8 trench. The frames are AS15-92- 12420 to 12438."

 

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http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12424.jpg

 

I read this and it's got me wondering.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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Just in case those links aren't leading to the info I want people to see, I'm going to copy and paste it.

Here's the major part of this post.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

Here's the other post (the words of Jay Windley).
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8144391&postcount=7990

 

Still can't address your bull(*)(*)(*)(*), scott? Keep running and pretending.

 

If you watch the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5GiF_mX5w

...and see where the prints were made in this photo...
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12424.jpg

...you'll see that there aren't any kicks that make the dust go high enough to cause any billowing. When the astronaut is making those prints, he is walking very slowly and carefully. There could have been larger-grained soil where he is digging the trench. That scene could have been done in a studio.

Here's an updated summary of hoax proof as I can't update the stuff on page one of this thread.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4001964&postcount=1

I'm still waiting for you to say whether you agree with Jay Windley (see post #330).
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...ions-were-faked-studio-33.html#post1061288267

You too Patriot911

 

What am I supposed to do when you pro-official version people play dumb about the stuff I post?
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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My post addressed the issue. People can read the thread and decide for themselves.
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/...-plane-flew-over-pentagon.html#post1060818311

Most viewers can see when sophists are using the "Play dumb" tactic. There's no need to spend a lot of time pointing it out when I could be doing other more productive things.

I put that forth as a possible reason for why they faked the moon landings. Only people with high security clearances know the real data on the nature and levels of space radiation.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...n-missions-were-faked-studio.html#post3989728

You're misrepresenting my position to mislead the viewers. Now I have to spend time setting the record straight; that's a classic sophist tactic.

 

High enough to billow? Nonsense - any amount of disturbance will cause something fine-grained to billow.

You really should step back and look at what you're doing here. It's the same thing the religious do when confronted with clear evidence that their views are wrong.

 

Where on earth do we have sand made of iron?

 

NO ONE is misleading your opinion,whiner

 

Nevermind...if you want to believe man did not go to the moon go ahead.

 

What are we suppose to do when you constantly run from the debate instead of addressing the issues? Nobody but you is playing dumb. Your posts expose the quality of your character and honesty, and your history shows EXACTLY what we can expect from you; when cornered, you will run and try to re-direct the discussion to another area you've already gotten your ass kicked in.

 

Well, for you it is all about ass kicking from an internet conspiratorial poster, for the rest of us it is about reality.

 

You mustn't worry about what the hoax believer believes. You can't reason most people out of a conspiracy belief, because such beliefs are seldom believed based on reason to begin with. It's fun, though, to argue the evidence and the logic. I wouldn't have gotten to enjoy the ALSJ's massive library of hi-res photos from the Apollo missions, for instance, had I never engaged in this topic a long time ago in a forum far, far away.

 

My uncle used to develop film for NASA. When I was a little kid, I had some great large pictures of satellites in orbit from space flights. I wish I knew where they went.

 

Very interesting! If they were for NASA, it's conceivable that they're stored and available online from them, same as the Apollo photos and other material. Any idea what satellites/missions they were? I'd probably make that my starting point.

 

If the kicked sand is low, will it be noticable? There's also the plausible scenario that there was large grained sand where the soil was kicked and finer sand where detailed footprints were made.

The prints that you shown in this picture...
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12424.jpg

...can be seen being made in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5GiF_mX5w
(watch the first minute)

He is walking slowly and carefully when he makes them and is not kicking up any dust.

Anyone who actually looks at this thread...
http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/...-plane-flew-over-pentagon.html#post1060818311

...will see that I addressed the issue and you pro-Apollo people played dumb.

I'm still waiting for you pro-Apollo people to say whether you agree with Jay Windley on this issue.

You won't address this issue because you can't say he was wrong because it's your job to defend him. You can't say he was right because he was obviously wrong. All you can do is ignore the issue and hope I forget about it. You behavior is not that of truth-seekers. It's that of sophists who don't even believe their own arguments.

 

This is mostly true of Dave, the guy digging. However, the other astronaut moves around quite quickly and kicks a lot of regolith around while moving to and from the rover. You can even make out the treads in a number of them within the video itself, and then:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12439.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12440.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12441.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12442.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12443.jpg

Are all close-ups of the trench and surrounding area. You can see into the trench itself and see that it's both fine-grained like the rest of the surrounding regolith and retaining its shape quite well.

And don't forget that there are higher quality versions of each image as well:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12439HR.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12440HR.jpg

Why are you so desperate for the Apollo missions to have been hoaxed? Swallow your pride - you're mistaken about it.

 

Early Gemini.

 

Must be this sort of thing then:

http://www.astronautix.com/project/gemini.htm

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/ER_Gemini_3_page1.html

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/ER_Gemini_4_page1.html

 

The movement of the flag has already proven that the footage was filmed in atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

All of those still photos from post #344 weren't necessarily from the same scene as the footage in the video. The scenario of there being finer-grained sand in some places and large-grained sand in others is still plausible. There are other plausible scenarios; maybe the sand was of a particular size that would leave this kind of detail...
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-92-12424.jpg

...but would still be to large-grained to billow. It may also turn out that those frames you posted aren't really frames from the video as it would be easy to duplicate the scene. This sand issue doesn't make the flag evidence of atmosphere go away.

You people still haven't addressed the issue of Jay Windley's stand on the dust-free sand issue.

Those links should lead to this.
(post #330)
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...ions-were-faked-studio-33.html#post1061288267

This is a legitimate question in this debate and you people are ignoring it. If this were a debating hall, they wouldn't just laugh you out for ignoring a question. They'd throw you out. Ignoring questions and hoping the issue goes away is the tactic of cornered sophists.

 

Your claim of the flag being "proven" to have been filmed in atmosphere is total bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I know it. You know it. Everyone knows it. The only thing you've proven is your ego writes checks neither your evidence nor your credibility can cash.

Maybe that is because you still exhibit the flight characteristics of a scared bunny rabbit. What assurances do we have that you will actually stick around to debate instead of running off like you constantly do. Or are you ready to back up your claim of six feet of shielding was needed to protect the astronauts?

So you admit you are a cornered sophist then? Because the only one here ignoring questions and hoping the issue goes away would appear to be you. Do you always insult yourself thusly?

 

There IS no 'dust free sand' issue, the regolith on the moon is the consistency of talcum powder,which basically is (*)(*)(*)(*) near dust.....

 

No, your "finer-grained sand in some places and large-grained sand in others" view is not plausible. The video and photos clearly debunk the notion. Even the trench holds its shape and appears very fine. There are plenty of clear boot prints around as well. You're clinging onto this silly view in spite of very clear evidence to the contrary.

And flag movements are the result of inertia from contact with the astronauts, though I'm certain you've been told this many times already as well.