The Bible is Completely Unreliable

Yes, the Bible should be, and deserves to be, appreciated as a form of literature. Some of it is quite good in that respect.

It's just that Christians have spoiled this by trying to make it out to be some kind of history book & instruction manual that we're required to understand and whose fantastic claims people are required to believe in on pain of death, eternal suffering, &c.

 

The Bible says the fish vomited Jonah up on the shore. You do know that the story is a comic novella about God loving all his children NOT just the Hebrews.

 

I see...so he CAN do these things but decided not to.

 

Yes, so what?

 

Do you really believe the above?

 

The first part of your post is fine with me. You didn't find much to disagree with what I said.

NO, I am not arguing for zcience to displace religion. I am arguing gor science not to be displaced by religion.

The AGW thing is a political fiasco, NOT a science fiasco. Having people reject science does NOT make science political. It makes the RESPONSE to science political.

And, i did not argue that science should displace ANYTHING! I suggest that science needs to be considered - that it has a role to play in informing policy decisions.

You are wrong about education. We need more, notless, education. And, this tax bill works toward less education and greater inequality in who has a chance at getting it.

That is a MAJOR mistake for America.

 

So, you believe in the literal Noah's flood?

Springs in the ocean could've played a role too, why not?

 

Did you write the following?

Hydrological system didn't matter - if we're going to follow what was written as to what had caused Noah's flood. It wasn't simply due to the endless rain that the earth was flooded.


Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day
all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

(Noah's flood last 4 days when the Euphrates river flooded 150 miles across and 350 miles to the south towards the Persian Gulf.)

 

That article referred to hot springs!

Fresh water spring, too? Well.....just shows you - the Bible was way ahead of science when it came to talking about springs in the ocean.

 

There are springs in the Bahrain archipelago ... not in Mesopotamia... and not enough to cover the mountains.. In fact, the area between the Tigris and Euphrates is quite FLAT.

 

I forgot about that. But as I was responding to his statement about hydrological system and his comment about Noah's flood - according to the Bible, the flood wasn't produced by only rain. It mentions springs under the ocean bursting forth.

And I showed that indeed, there are springs in the ocean - discovered in the 20th century!
Only in the 20th century. Imagine that.

 

There are NO hot springs in Mesopotamia.

 

The Arabs have always known about the freshwater springs in Bahrain and on the East coast of Arabia.. They don't provide a lot of water.

You mean the waters of the deep? Its BS. Spring rains combined with spring snowmelt from the mountains caused the periodic floods which built the delta and ultimately turn a river into the Persian Gulf with a breach to the Indian Ocean.

 

Well....what you remembered is obviously wrong! Water can come out from the ocean floor!

https://www.icr.org/article/180

"The Deep," is a poetic term for the ocean or the sea!

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/the-deep

Whatever. I don't know what you're really saying here.....see the boldened part.
Are you saying it would have an effect or not? Which is it?


But, the point is: according to the Bible, it's not only rain that brought on the flood!

Whether it's mythical or not, isn't what I'm pointing out, is it?
I'm correcting your statement.....after all, it was you who brought up Noah's Flood!

 

Hurray for them!
Do you know the date when they discovered them? Cite your source.

 

Sometime in the past 2,000 years.. Do you understand about Dilmun and the thousands of clay tablets found there?

 

There are things they knew about but made nothing of. Until recently no-one 'discovered' the immense, but simple, knowledge the Egyptians had of medicine. Our medicine is often based on that. Imagine that.

Look at the Babylonian 'battery' and electricity. Unknown for millenia so we claim we, modern man, 'created' it. Imagine that.

Look at the ancient Greek Antikythera Mechanism. Technology that was lost during the Middle ages. And man thought he had pioneered clock mechanisms in the 14th Century. Imagine that.

If you want to see evidence of 'fountains of the deep'. go to Yellowstone Park. Go to Iceland. You don't need to imagine that.

The Bible certainly has knowledge. Most already known or postulated by the time the Tanakh was written from the middle of the 7th century BC,. Much interwoven in their 'fake' history called Genesis/Exodus. An estimated 50% of Jews worldwide have accepted that fact and no longer practise their religion. Others just focus on the main points of their beliefs.

Judaism is an amalgamation of earlier beliefs and practises, from which Christianity has arisen by the misuse of Tanakh prophecies to 'foretell', and to establish Jesus birth as miraculous. Islam has arisen by the twisting of Tanakh scriptures. It's amazing. Ancient History - proven - indicates that the Biblical story of Moses, Abraham, the Exodus is just a Historical novel.

The 'Church' was a controlling influence for many centuries over its flock, from Priest to poorest laity. Education, archaeology and science has changed that. Today we can 'search the scriptures' and compare external evidences, which show a marked difference to what has been taught.

 

I didn't say water could not come out of the ocean bed. I've seen TV programmes about them. What I said is that they do not raise the ocean level. Water that comes out is replaced by water soaking own. Water/sea level remains the same. You don't get a vacuum in the earth. It has to be filled as my previous example. And if it rains that water has come from the ocean in the first place, and returns to the same. Floods only occur UNTIL the waters find a way back to the oceans. Unless, of course, you can negate the effects of gravity, or build a 'Mexico' wall to stop it.
Water goes round in the simple circle. Ocean to sky. Sky to ground. Ground to sea. Ad infinitum. Even that which soaks into the earth eventually makes it back to the circle in photosynthesis.


The whole story is nonsense BUT the idea of the time of the scribes writing the story was of a flat domed earth/disc with water supporting the land. Only then can the story make some sense. But we know the earth is a sphere.

 

That does not mean Jonah was alive in the fish. Do some reading into the "Sign of Jonah" mentioned by Jesus.

 

An even bigger problem is how so many of these professing Christians try to tell you to live by biblical principles while they refuse to practice what they preach.

 

Jesus was only referring to his own future crucifixion, burial, and resurrection after three days.

 

I have no fear of this, and there is no evidence of this. If you trust people and believe in free speech and free thought, then let people discuss ideas freely and come to their own conclusions.

No, AGW is political and on all sides. AGW proponents took it into the political arena on day 1 - its hard to get more polarizing than using Al Gore immediately after a controversial and divisive election as your global spokesman. Its so political at this point that the facts are in the back seat.

People are political, and scientists are people. And big dollars are involved, and ego, and careers. To believe science is not political is exceptionally naïve.

And it does have a role. But government is about people and how people relate to each other, and that is extremely personal and subjective.

I never even hinted that the USA needs less education, that's a ridiculous position. I wrote that govt run education is the wrong approach, and the public education system proves it. Public education is very political, from the selection of textbooks to the curricula to union membership. Its more about "diversity" and social engineering than reading, writing, arithmetic. And higher education - due to student loans - is more about finance than education.

And the tax bill backs up my case that the govt is too involved in education. Look at your own words - greater inequality in who has a chance at getting it - as if its a quota or wealth redistribution or welfare program.

The USA spends a fortune on education, more each year, and the results get worse each year.

 

They would be much scarier if they did practice what they preach.

 

You are trying to explain an act of God by applying human knowledge. Don't you think the creator of the Universe would find it trivial to create water to flood the earth, and then take the water away? Of course it would be trivial to God. The laws of the universe don't apply to God.

 

Yes.