The Bible is Completely Unreliable

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    practice what they preach towards libs, not what they claim the Bible actually stands for ;)
     
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    The story is a comic novella.. Do you know what that is?

    It never happened.. Its a teaching narrative.
     
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    Correct. Jonah was cast into the sea, died, and 3 days later was spit onto land resuscitated. When Jesus was asked by the Pharisees for a sign, Jesus replied "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah". When Jonah went to Ninevah (which was a powerful city, not a Jewish city, had its own beliefs and gods, ), the city did not make major changes in their lifestyle and religion because some old nobody Jew wandered in, they did it because Jonah was dead and then brought back to life - that was Jonahs credentials.
     
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    Irrelevant. Understanding of the Bible (or any book or philosophy) does not depend upon whether you believe the Bible is true or false. If you are going to critique Christianity, then you better understand its theology and the Bible.
     
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    The story of Jonah NEVER happened.
     
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    Whether you believe it happened or not is relevant if you are deciding if Christianity and the Bible are true, or to what extent the Bible is true.

    Does not matter in the context of discussing Christian theology, or the Bible as literature.
     
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    The Jonah story was prior to Jesus.
     
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    False. Science is in agreement on climate change and its source. There isn't anything political going on in science. And, what scientists are projecting is their results.

    You will remember that Al Gore is NOT a scientist. And, there isn't some Mr. Science or Science Party who chose Gore as a "spokesman". GOPers REALLY need to get over Gore. It's blocking them from thinking.

    I agree it is a political issue, but that's just because there are a lot of people who either don't understand science, are beholding to fossil fuel corporations (who have been trying to subvert the science), or whatever.
    Name a scientist who is too political for your delicate taste.
    I said NOTHING about wealth distribution. That is YOU and YOU alone. The same goes with your deflection toward welfare.

    What I said is that the tax bill makes it harder for those without rich parents to go to school. And, that is absolutely true.
     
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    It's important to be able to detect the difference between allegory and history if you want to understand the message.
     
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    I'm not going to debate AGW, its pointless and its been debated 100 times a month.

    Al Gore was the primary spokesman for AGW for the first 15 years, he was the one who brought it into the public eye. The current equivalent would be to get Trump or obama to be spokesman - either is guaranteed to immediately make the issue political and put science in the trunk.

    You stated "inequality" was a factor in the govt's role in education. BTW, if you want to immediately politicize the issue, use an extremely politically charged word like "inequality".
     
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    Lol rubbish, and 'new atheists' prove once again they aren't educated, much less have any familiarity with being 'rational' about anything. This mindless repetition of of falsehoods and ignorant opinions based on cult beliefs has been boring for several decades now.


    According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[4] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[5]

    Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-Earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over biological evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat", and ascribes popularization of the flat-Earth myth to histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving.[6][7][2]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

    Isn't it time for the assorted 'atheist' deviants to dream up some new material for us to laugh at? Even their 'evolution is a proven fact' garbage is getting old.
     
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    Jonah is didactic literature. Much of the Bible is.
     
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    LOL, so the Bible teaches. Duh. Look up "didactic".
     
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    lol you can buy scientists to 'prove' nearly anything you feel like paying them to 'prove'. This is why 'climate science' is all the rage now, a lot of money is being thrown at 'confirming' it. The myth that science is 'objective' and 'honest' is laughable rubbish. It never has been in the past, nor is it now.
     
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    The book of Jonah. - TextExcavation.

    www.textexcavation.com/jonah.html
    Jan 12, 2009 - Jay G. Williams writes: "The book of Jonah is unique among the books of the prophets, for it is not a collection of oracles at all. Rather it is a well-wrought, comic novella which, through its broad humor, makes a very decisive prophetic point. It was written with tongue-in-cheek and must be read accordingly if ...
     
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    https://qz.com/547641/theres-an-awful-cost-to-getting-a-phd-that-no-one-talks-about/

    A 2015 study at the University of California Berkeley found that 47% of graduate students suffer from depression, following a previous 2005 study that showed 10% had contemplated suicide. A 2003 Australian study found that that the rate of mental illness in academic staff was three to four times higher than in the general population, according to a New Scientist article. The same article notes that the percentage of academics with mental illness in the United Kingdom has been estimated at 53%.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-08-29/medical-journals-have-a-fake-news-problem


    Medical Journals Have a Fake News Problem
    With help from drug companies, Omics International is making millions as it roils the scientific community with sketchy publications.


    http://aaar.assembly.ca.gov/sites/aaar.assembly.ca.gov/files/reports/Intro to Degree Mills.pdf

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...ke-science-journals-worldwide-researchers-say

    There Are Now 8,000 Fake Science ‘Journals’ Worldwide, Researchers Say

    Researchers from high-profile institutions are falling for these scams.

    And on and on.
     
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    Provide your source.
     
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    Who said anything that observation and experimentation doesn't work, even in those ancient days?
    Look at the health and sanitation info from the Bible.

    Sure there were medicines too - people experimented in those days too!


    All you mentioned - medicines, mechanisms - can be learned through experimentation! All you need is someone with an inquisitive mind, with a knack for it - and bob's your uncle!

    But what about things that can't be observed by the naked eye?

    Like the springs in the ocean?
    Even the full understanding of hydrology has only been achieved in the 1600s (?).....and yet, it's full description is described poetically in the Bible - more than 2000 years ago!
     
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    Look, you brought up Noah's flood.....not me. If you're going to bring up something from the Bible, then you've got to bring it up within the context of the Biblical verse.

    Whether the sea level is raised by ocean springs or not, is irrelevant.
    Obviously, Noah's Flood (whether the narrative is myth or not), was an ACT OF GOD!

    It wasn't a normal event like a wet monsoon.

    The Biblical narrative that described the Act of God in the flood, also involves the bursting forth of the ocean springs!


    :roll:

    Like as if it isn't written in the Bible that the world is round, without anything to hold it up!

    Anyway, that's irrelevant!
     
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    AND?........show me the date!

    I'm asking you to support this claim you made!


     
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