The Bible is Completely Unreliable

There are a lot of people who think they know some science and don't even know what science IS. And, that is far more important than any of the factoids about gravity, or acids and bases, or whatever.

In math, if the kid is capable of a STEM career they should have calculus before leaving high school. They also need to understand evolution.

Good state college STEM programs require this stuff for entry. If your kid takes additional class work to get to the point where they will be accepted, all that is doing is catching them up to where these colleges expect high school kids to be in the first place. It's true that some colleges may accept kids with deficits. But, again it's common for them to require additional course work at little to no credit - just more tuition, due to more time being spent.

I know there are home school success stories. In fact, there are kids smart and interested enough that you could probably hand them the course work and buy them some on-line class time. But, suggesting America would be better off if all kids were left to that is just plain ridiculous.

Another point I might make is that in high tech, more people get fired because they don't collaborate well in a group project environment than get fired because they can't handle the work. It turns out that being out of the family and required to learn to work well in a group environment is important.

 

"Young-Earth Theory" is, indeed, silly. It is my understanding that the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old.

Those who date the Earth at about 2,000 years are doing so on the basis of mere "begats"--X begat Y, and Y begat Z, etc.--and adding up all of these.

But it is my understanding that ancient Middle Eastern chronologies routinely skipped many generations. For instance, "X begat Y" may mean only that X was the great, great, great, great, great grandfather of Y.

As for "blind faith," I have none. None whatsoever.

My faith is based upon that which seems most reasonable. (For instance, I have faith that my car will start when I place the key in the ignition , and then turn it. But this is not at all unreasonable. It has always done so in the past--unless my battery was dying--so I assume that it will do so in the future, also.)

 

A different response would be to choose thought inspiration, instead of The Dictation Theory of inspiration. (Even most fundamentalists do not embrace the latter anymore; and mainline Christians certainly do not.)

 

Right.

It really should be considered an insult to religion to consider an odds calculation to be an example of faith.

But, that's what we do!

 

You forgot Halitosis and Stink foot.
Cheese toes, lol

 

Yes, that would be the alternate concept. Certainly our thoughts are influenced by our environment, so if you live in an environment that includes the idea of accepting a god, your thoughts will be influenced by that. Personally god never passed the smell test for me. I could never, even as a child in Sunday School, get beyond thinking there's something fishy here. Successful movies get you to suspend your beliefs about how the world works during the show in order to make it enjoyable. What fun would a movie be if you kept thinking, this is BS? But religion never got me to suspend my beliefs, so I never bought their movie.

 

I think that it would benefit this audience to provide a link to such information, any number of people here are honest enough thinkers that if faced with evidence they will correct their worldview.

 

Public education was a success, no longer. Now its more concerned about social engineering - diversity, anti-religion, transgender bathrooms, even promoting the Democrat party.

That essentially what I posted previously. If govt funds education, then the money should follow the student to any school the student attends. If the govt "spends" $12,000 per student, then the school a particular student attends should receive that $12,000.

And that's any school - public, private, religious, secular, home school. The goal is to educate, so as long as that's happening then the method is unimportant. Unless you don't really care about education but indoctrination.

There are already plenty of schools, its just that many - public schools - of them suck. Give parents the choice to select the school, and the bad schools will quickly clean up their act or will be replaced. And new schools with new ideas about education will show up.

Free people to innovate, just like in all other areas. I see no problem here.

Why? Some people can be educated, some cannot. Some will not want to be educated in your idea of education. Get out of the way and let people innovate and invent.

People try that all the time. The unions and politicians stop it, they like the way things are because its a source of political funding and campaign labor for the Democrats, plus a stupid brainwashed population is easier for "progressives" to control.

 

The interesting thing is that in America it was always the Protestants who wanted to teach the Bible in schools. The Catholics were always against it.

 

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I don't know where you live, but here in Massachusetts the list of Catholic schools is endless.

 

Post #132. It gives all the Biblical claims (supported or confirmed by science), given so far.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-bible-and-science.520591/page-7

 

The catch is there aren't any private schools around here that come close to tuition that low.

You're asking parents to cough up thousands of dollars per year per kid. That's not something that most can do.

Around here, private middle schools and high schools are not for profit. But, tuition is in excess of $20K. And, they are fully subscribed with overflow lists. Also, no new such schools are being built.

So, if a family has 3 kids, the difference between your $12K and the tuition is a combined $24K per year.

Half of America makes too little to even pay taxes!!



THAT is why I said there would need to be a guarantee that schools are available.

You missed that part!!


Also, no, every kid can be educated. Every last kid. It may be that some have deficits that mean that life skills are the achievable target. It may be that the kid is more interested in a vocational direction - but that requires education, too, especially as that segment changes rapidly as we saw in the last election.


Also, your measurement of failure is ridiculous. Bathrooms? Really? THAT's your reason for considering all public schools to be failures???


Here in Seattle, a number of our high schools have the same academic rating as the very best private schools as rated by university entrance examiners.

Yet, you pick bathrooms!

 

Yes - in fact, in history the RCC opposed the laity reading the bible.

They tend to be hierarchical/centralized. Islam has been on the other end. The very word for their holy book is an exhortation to read for yourself. Until the Ayatollahs of the Shia, there really was no similar hierarchy.

 

Theoretically, that makes sense.

But I am a very strong advocate of critical thinking. So I am not at all sure that my views would be influenced by majority opinion.

 

Overall I have not been impressed with homeschooling. It fails to offer the experience of socialization and teamwork.. and frequently doesn't allow the student to question or think. Too much focus on religion without much room for the student to question. .. and IMO everyone should question religion otherwise their faith is meaningless.

Public education in this country is great and arose out of the belief that immigrants needed to be able to read and write to participate in civic life.. It also came from a profound belief in a free press.

 

Costs vary. Where I live, the Catholic School tuition is about $12,000 a year which is the average public school cost for the USA.

And you missed my point - get the govt out of the way and let innovation have its day. Allow "school choice" and new schools will show up.

When you say "guarantee that schools are available" it just means the govt stays in control.

You are moving to agree with me - let people have a say in their education. What I object to is you imposing your interpretation of "education" on everyone else. You want secular education which promotes a certain viewpoint (such as atheism) and ignores other subjects.

Learn to read and think. Public schools have a social agenda, their priorities are diversity, anti-gun, etc. If you want to see that public schools have failed, look at reading levels, SAT/ACT scores, etc.

 

I agree with you - totally.

 

In the 1960s my private school cost $13,000 year. In the 1980s my children's schools cost $7,000 a year.

 

Trumps' grandfather owned brothels.. His mother was a cleaning lady who had no education. I have seen this before.. Mama becomes a diva because she can spend $10,000 a year on clothes in 1960, but there is NO substance... and that does not confer class. Class is something else.

 

I was reacting to "thought inspiration", and referencing the authors of the different sections of the bible. I can't accept that our minds are supernaturally influenced. Doesn't follow the laws of the universe for me.

 

The catch is that in YOUR area you do not have enough Catholic schools to hold the demand if public schools were eliminated.

And, I do NOT believe that "demand" would cause more to come into existence. The reason is the financials simply are not there. Your Catholic schools are subsidized by the associated Catholic school. Expansion of that system would mean an expansion of Catholicism!! That isn't going to happen as a response to education need.

Also, $12K is far too little to cause more facilities to be created, even if they are not for profit. So, either tuition would need to double (for middle and high school) or there simply won't be enough schools.

The definition of academic education is set by our universities. If your kids don't meet those requirements, then they either have to give up on college or they have to find a place where they can make up their deficits.

Public schools do not teach atheism. They just don't teach YOUR religion. And, how could they? There are LOTS of religions. Public schools simply can't address the wide variety of religions we have in the USA. And, it's totally unacceptable for the state to declare a "winner" religion. Why would you want the STATE to teach some religion to your kid???

You like homeschool. And, public school doesn't teach religion. Isn't THAT enough of a hint concerning what YOU can do?

The catch is that PARENTS do have a role in public education - schools can't do it all on their own. Home schooling involves parents, too.

Parents just can't ignore education anymore. They can't just drop their kid off at the bus stop and tell the school to "fix it".

 

Here in Seattle, $7,000 is approximately the tuition charged by the few middle and high schools that are directly subsidized by specific churches through financing and through sharing of land, buildings and some staff.

I disregard those, because no new such schools have come into existence in the last 20 years or so, even though the other not for profit schools charge three times as much and there is high demand as represented by long wait lists.

 

Public schools will not be eliminated. Allow the money to follow the student, and the public schools will quickly reform.

You keep saying we should fix the public schools, allow parents to vote with their $$ and a bad public school will fix itself because the teachers don't want to lose their job.

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At the local Catholic School, students are not required to be Catholic. It is a school, not a church. You don't seem to be able to understand that concept.

That's based on the current system in which the govt dominates education. Get the govt out of education and let people innovate.

Wrong. Public schools in many areas are obsessed with keeping all hint of religion out of the building.

I never stated I want public school to teach my religion. Public schools should teach comparative religion, and include religion in history classes. I even wrote earlier that I teach my child about other religions and atheism. Religion is a major factor in human history, its a huge factor in the development of nations and social structures. To leave it out because some people are afraid of anything having to do with "faith" is absurd.

Learn to read the posts.

 

Again, your plan is to subsidize those with money to leave public schools while those without money can't.

And, you are NOW proposing that the problem is teachers. I see NO indication of that.

BUT, if that IS a problem, then let's consider how private industry, corporations, solve that problem. What they do is to draw better resumes by offering improved compensation and/or improved job description.

But, your plan is to defund. So, I just don't believe you've thought through this issue.

One of my daughters attended a Catholic middle and high school. The school was not directly associated with a Catholic church, so they didn't get the usual tuition subsidies and they didn't hold the catechism stuff. The required classes in religion were relatively abstract - the symbolism of washing with water, ethics, morality, etc. It didn't mean that they screwed up science - in fact, their science program was great.

You really blew it this time - lol!

If you have time and resources for home schooling, you have plenty of time for innovation - and for religious indoctrination, too.

Again, you have PLENTY of time for religious indoctrination. Having the STATE teach some religion to your kid is something you should not want.

Your school is TOTALLY free to teach comparative religion. If your school doesn't do that, then talk to them.

The only thing they can't do is declare a winner.

Learn to read the posts.