The Bible

Of course all 3 were spoken." My God My God why have you forsaken me?" was also spoken in the Psalms. The three impacted the individuals of the Gospel differently. They reported things that influenced them most. That is why we have Four Gospels in the Canon. That is why God's Word is a "living" document. It speaks to individuals where and when they need it most. Those three statements are not contradictions in spite of the fact you seem to want to make it so. In my home group Bible Study, we have studied scripture together for well over 15 years. We discuss scripture and low and behold.... each one of us will glean something slightly different and illuminating. Never is there a conflict, but iron sharpens iron and that is how it is supposed to be! That is why the scripture says "and do not forsake the assemby of one another together as the manner of some is...." The Holy Spirit works through individuals coming together in His name to illuminate Truth. Scripture is "of no private interpretation"

So you fell off the horse.....I encourage you to get back on..

 

Your mind tells you so because it is finite. I would encourage you to explore infinity and the spiritual realm though some do not desire to know more.

 

Therein lies the problem. People of like indoctrination. I'll bet none has ever studied outside the Bible. How about asking an Orthodox Jew to the study for his view of the OT. After all, ,God gave it to them, and revealed it to them. If Paul is right and 'all scripture is given by inspiration......' then they must know what their scriptures say. Most Christians like yourself don't. You've proved that. by your posts. At the same time look at Jewish rituals and history of the time.

 

As we don't know who wrote the Gospels at a much later date than the events, I doubt the writers were influenced . Luke certainly wasn't there to be influenced. Mark extremely unlikely due to his age at the time. They would only repeat what they had heard. Very few, except fanatics, believe that Matthew actually wrote the gospel according to Matthew.John was in his dotage when, and if, he wrote his.

 

I believe in a afterlife, reincarnation, just not that a God named 'jealous' created everything and before that there was nothing, I believe in a simpler answer, a more likely one

 

had each of them not said what he last words were and that he immediately after that gave up the ghost, you would have a point, he could of only immediately gave up the ghost (died) after one of them, the others must be making stuff up or remembering it wrong - and if the bible has errors, then it's not a word of God, it's a word of man

let me ask you this, do you think there is any errors in the bible, are you able to admit there are flaws to the bible

 

Consider how Christians are supposed to treat widows =
1 Timothy 5:9-16 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+5:9-16&version=NKJV

 

As you have been indoctrinated also. Probably by Secular Humanists. I don't know. Why don't you come out of the shadows and tell us.....what is your truth?

 

John was at the foot of the cross. How could you forget that? Do you understand how precise the Jewish culture was in those days with the written word?

 

Guarantee ~ I'll do a better job of running this world than the god who is doing it now.

 

So do you avoid eating cattle like the Hindu's???? Even if your children are starving? What about being afraid to step on an insect? Reincarnation is pretty freaky. Sounds like more bondage of other Pagan religions. I don't mean to put down your faith, but you demean mine all the time.
Being jealous does not always have a bad connotation. If I desire my wifes love, I will be jealous if she compromises her love for me with another man. God desires to be loved by us. How many, including your self, fail to reciprocate that love that he has bestowed upon us? He gives great leeway to the creation that turns their back on Him, yet he cannot help but to feel jealous. Of course you who believe in reincarnation never have a jealous bone in your body.....kumbaya.

 

Then do it.Give thanks to yourself for all the great things you have done!

 

Gladly. But don'cha worry - you need not thank me. Just be a good boy and treat people like Dems do rather than how right wingers do.

 

Tell that to Steve Scalise.

 

nope, I eat beef, chicken, ect...

do you believe your God only gives you one chance at life? I believe we live many lives and learn many lessons

Jealousy is bad when you punish someone for not loving you just cause you love them.... God's should be better then that

the bible says God is such a Jealous God that he goes by the name 'Jealous', that means he has a bad case of Jealousy

Christianity got much of what it is from the Pagan religion, many Churches built on top of Pagan sites, Christmas is the Pagan holiday, the Calendar is even Pagan, just look at the days of the week and the many God's they represent

 

then of course there is this big failed prophecy of Jesus's

https://blacknonbelievers.wordpress.com/jesus-failed-prophecy-about-his-return/

Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return

"The fact that Christianity started as a Jewish apocalyptic movement is evidenced by the teachings of the Biblical Jesus concerning the end of days. Not only did he preach he would rise from the grave, but that he would also ascend to the Heaven and one day return to judge and rule over the world. When did Jesus say his return would be? While he said no one, including himself, knew the exact time of his return, he knew it would be before the end of his generation."

and of course if Jesus is God and he did not know that, then God doesn't know everything

 

God gives us a new life with Him. We have an eternity of rich discovery unhindered by the limitations of sin and death to look forward to. Christianity is accommodating to an extent with God's children. God reaches us where we live. The Apostle Paul for example visited many Pagan sites of worship in Greece along with a tour of philosophers. When he came to the Temple of the "Unknown God" he took the opportunity to tell them of his one and only God. Many believed after that.

 

Of course there is a plethora of site attacking Christianity and you must visit them regularly. It tells mostly as to where your heart is more so than disproving Christ and the Grace He has offered us.

 

Of course John was at the foot of the cross. John was also in his 9th decade of life when he wrote the Gospel. How will your memory be at that age? I certainly do understand the culture of the time - that's part of the reason I discount Christianity's claims about some of the .Gospel 'stories/events'.
The Baptism in Matthew and Luke is in line with cleansing in Judaism - and other cultures. Remember Naaman's cleansing in the Jordan. Remember Bathsheba having a bath on the roof to complete her cleansing after her menstrual period. All that is added is a dove descending.
The supposed temptation of Jesus is also in line with Judaism. HaSatan (the Satan) - OT - is a messenger of God whose purpose is to test men's faith. If a man fails it is not HaSatans fault. It is the person who fails the test 'Job' passed. Jesus passed. Christianity has taken HaSatan and made him God's enemy.

Your post about Iron sharpening Iron (from Proverbs) certainly does not apply today in the terms in which you are talking. Modern knowledge blunts that iron 'sword'.

Indoctrination. My 'Indoctrination' has come about by study of the Bible, and the relative spheres surrounding it.

Truth. Does one have to belong to any particular 'ology'. My 'belief' is in the old song 'If I can help somebody as I pass along, then my living will not be in vain'.

Christianity formed from the OT prophecies - taken from their context. I don't fear death. It's a natural occurence. If there is something after it certainly isn't Christianity's heaven and hell. Every religion has its own idea. Jews tended to live for the day and had/have the belief of a term 'year' in limbo considering their lives. After that views vary as to what happens to those who still refuse to acknowledge any wrong they have done. The Catholics have adapted this for their 'purgatory' idea.

If anything I have been disindoctrinated? I was brought up from childhood in the war in the Christian faith and followed what I had been taught for many years. A lot of study since then has changed my views.

Truth? You want the truth. Study Hosea 11 and see if the chapter refers to Jesus. Did Jesus move away from God? Did Jesus offer sacrifices to images of Baal, or incense to idols. etc etc. All Matthew has done is taken one verse out of context. As with the other prophecies. There's truth.

 

I'll do with him like your god did with Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus. Saul (a convicted mass murderer) was given a sudden revelation and became a good boy. He was forgiven for all his wickedness and today is called St Paul.

 

so you do not feel there is lessons to be learned in life, they why bothers, seem to me then abortion would be a free ticket to heaven ,avoid the suffering of this life, correct?

the term "convert or kill" is a term Christians and Muslims know well, they both used this method trough history

 

I visit no such sites, fanatical Christians bring their debates to political sites, I guess their sites get quite boring - kinda like a heaven where no one was allowed to disagree, non of your no-believer friends is allow to join

I even asked one Christians if she would miss her non-believer friends and loved ones when she gets to heaven and her reply was god removes the memory of them to remove the sadness... I guess God brainwashes you before you enter heaven then? reprograms you... would not want you remembering the people God is going to torture for all eternity, might make you sad

 

I am curious about your view of the following
Let’s presume that the Bible is entirely credible
And that therefore it is exactly what you represent it to be.

If we make that assumption, then there is a reasonably long history of interactions between man and god.
But what I see in this history does not make sense to me
You have THE CREATION
And then a continuing series of events where mankind ****s up
And then is punished
Then ****s up some more
And is punished
Etc etc etc.

Eventually we get to Noah, where god is so pissed off he kills
Most all life on earth... and basically life starts over
One would think that would solve all the problems
But mankind nd keeps ****ing up over and over again
At various times the Jews are exiled to Babylon because of their **** ups.... they are enslaved by the Pharos because of more **** ups, and eventually they are conquered by the Greeks and romans, and Muslims... presumably because of more **** ups.

So even though god created everything from the beginning
And presumably god would know what he is doing
But, no.... **** up after **** up after **** up

Then, after endless attempts to fix things up....
Then God sends his son to be horribly tortured and executed

So we have these humans
That **** up all the time
And rather than write them off
The only thing god can think of to do is to send his son to be tortured and killed

Ok, surely such an extreme measure should correct the problems... but NO!!!! Humanity continues to **** things up...
Just as if God’s son had not come to be tortured and killed

I gotta say, it seems like god just cannot figure out how to get things to work. He keeps trying different ways to fix things
But even sending his son to die does not seem to fix things

If all the above is true... then god seems fairly incompetent. I mean if there were a CEO with that ongoing series of failures...he would not be evaluated as all knowing and all powerful

So my question is... do you really believe that there is a god who is such a **** up as described in the Bible

 

Was Saul convicted? You don't know what you are talking about. He carried out persecutions of Christians (as you do) that were authorized by the Pharisees. Sure, in our view today it was murder. However, God showed His mercy as He often does and revealed His greater purpose. You do not seem to understand God puts extreme value on our souls. Much more than our physical temporary lives.

 

So if you imply Christ commands His followers to force conversion at the penalty of death...then we know it is obvious you are sniffing the glue. There is suffering in this life but there is also extreme blessing. There is the joy that can be known in respect to eternity also.