The Blue Wave Fizzled - Trump is the big winner

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  1. Nemesis

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    You just linked gerrymandering to partisan “whining” and then suggested that complaints about gerrymandering mean that you “don’t like the Constitution”.

    Courts have specifically found that the GOP has been gerrymandering. If you think that GOP gerrymandering is a good thing, it would appear that you’re the one who doesn’t like the Constitution.
     
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    I reject the premise of the OP.

    The Dems took the House (as expected) and most Senate Predictions had a best case for the Dems at 48-52, and it ended up 47-53.

    It was "Blue Wave" ENOUGH.:flagus:
     
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    Newsflash. All 50 states gerrymander...

    It's the way all 50 states draw congressional lines.

    Did you think congressional lines just appeared on the map by magic or what?

    I think you watch too much fake news.
     
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  6. Nemesis

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    Post proof and time frames for this goofy claim, and then post a justification for your espousal of a patently unconstitutional and unconscionable position.
     
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    And yet another one bites the dust!
     
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    Dana got dumped, eh, Bumps.

    GREAT to see... :thumbsup: :democrat:
     
  9. Mac-7

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    California is a deep blue state where spanish may soon be the official language

    I am sad to see that happen but the nation will get by without you somehow
     
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    Representative democracy is an American ideal that one hopes is fulfilled in every state, to the chagrin of some.

    The desperate, fake, linguistic nativist scare tactic does not work.

    There is no proposed legislation to adopt Spanish as the official language in any state,
     
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    I think English will always be retained as a 2nd language in Aztlán

    It will be useful when californians must relocate to other parts of the US as economic refugees
     
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    You ignore the progress that was achieved in 2018:

    Roughly 114 million ballots were cast this year — way ahead of the 83 million that were cast in the 2014 midterms.

    (In 2014, GOP Rep. Darrell Issa told the Daily Caller, “They didn’t vote Republicans in tonight. … They voted the president out!” as Obama honestly acknowledged, "Republicans had a good night.”)​

    Did the 2018 midterms in which Democrats appear to have picked up around 35 seats constitute a greater “wave” than the 30 Republicans picked up in 2014?

    While you calculate the empirical differential (Republicans proclaimed 2014 was a referendum on Obama) here are a few noteworthy highs and milestones in 2018 as an expression of progress in representative democracy:
    • The number of female candidates running

    • The number of female candidates elected

    • The number of LGBT candidates running

    • The number of women of color running

    • The youngest woman ever elected to Congress

    • The first Native American women elected to Congress

    • The first Muslim women elected to Congress

    • The first Korean-American woman elected to Congress

    • The first openly gay governor
    Voter turnout especially spiked among young voters under 30.

    2018 youth voter turnout exceeds 2014 levels in at least 12 states, with those rates doubling in Texas, Nevada, New Jersey, and Georgia.

    The progress is inexorable.
     
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    I see nothing to cheer about on your list since you failed to prove that any of them are more competent than the white male they replaced
     
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    Rohrabacher was Putin’s bitch. That POS traitor didn’t belong in Congress.
     
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    Nativist sniveling fizzles. Proficiency in a second language is certainly desirable, but neither Texas, nor California, nor Alaska is about to adopt Spanish or Yupik as the official language.

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    I do not impose such a prejudicial judgement upon representative governance.

    I approve of participatory democracy, especially where one entrenched ilk has dominated all others for so long.
     
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    Agreed. Make America Gerrymander Again seems to believe that voter suppression “doesn’t exist” (it was explicitly found in a number of court cases) and that gerrymandering is jim dandy because “everyone does it” (though it only is a phenomenon in GOP governed states in recent years-go figure) We should all reject such unconstitutional partisan nonsense.
     
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    Its reverse bigotry to want someone to win just because you approve of their sex or skin color
     
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    Well, bottom line. the Democrats picked up enough seats in Congress to makes the OP's claim of a "win" for Trump rather premature.
    The last 2 years of Trump's days in office will look much like Clinton's last two years - constant investigations into ethics practices and
    a lot of gridlock coming out of The House.

    Trump is incapable of building any kind of coalition, so compromise is probably dead.
     
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    The RINO run House was of minimal use to Trump. The expanded RP majority in the Senate is decisive for obvious reasons.

    The elimination of "progressive" anti-Trump Republicans is very helpful to Trump if not the RP.
     
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    Depends on whether Trump gets primaried by other Republicans. Nikki Haley has the perfect open door. "Trump economics without the idiot that is Trump ...". The perfect slogan.
     
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    Yes, establishment Republicans have been very effective against Trump in primaries. ;-)
     
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    Too many choices. If it had been one or two other candidates, Trump would would not have won, but he became the most recognizable name out of twelve, which helped him.
     
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    So long as the RP establishment keeps underestimating how repulsive it has become to its core base Trump will roll over RINOs like speed bumps.
     
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