The case for Russia collusion against the Democrats

What he was saying that while interacting with these "Russian contacts" nothing illegal occurred. Hence, ZERO charges for anyone working on behalf of the Trump campaign.

Kid, you are getting whipped here. The zero charges and there will always be zero charges. There was no collusion or conspiracy or illegal activity with the Trump campaign and Russia. Why can't just accept that FACT?

 

Mueller and Rosensein better hurry up and charge someone in the campaign with Russian conspiracy. Imagine going through 2 years of investigation just to nail the Trump campaign on collusion and you wrap it up without giving a single charge on that front. Dems, not intelligent enough to decipher what that means, then claim it's a coverup. ROFL.

 

And yet its your dear leader who has claimed "no collusion" hundreds of times. apparently you should advise the president of this revelation, since he seems oblivious as usual.

Not necessarily illegal? Is that the new bar for Presidential and campaign behavior?

And as for unproven, yes, I believe one needs to actually go to court for something to be "legally" proven.

He said with blind faith.

So perhaps you can explain to us all why he sucks up so hard to Putin, Kim, and that proud admitted murderer in the Philippines?

Funny how he seems so tough when confronting the weak and so weak when confronting the tough. Yet another example of the reverse polarity of trumpism?

 

So the offer was for information about Clinton's collusion with Russia.

 

Whatever term you want to use for illegal activity (collusion, conspiracy, etc) doesn't change the fact the entire investigation into that is a phony. There was no illegal activity. Mueller is going to be wrapping up here in a matter of days and after 2 years of snooping found exactly ZERO Russian conspiracy crimes with the Trump campaign. That's a witch hunt no matter how you spin it.

 

The offer was about supposedly shady financial dealings Clinton had in Russia.

 

Sounds like Mueller should have investigated those.

 

Mueller was assigned to his investigation, and a well-deserved investigation at that. If there is anything there with Clinton to investigate, the FBI can assign someone. Deflection isn't a defense. It's desperation. "But someone else may have also committed a crime" isn't a real argument. It's an attempt to turn whataboutism (already a rationally bankrupt approach) into a legal defense.

 

And the best indication that the entire investigation is a witch hunt is t the fact that so many trumpettes involved in the campaign LIED about russian contacts. Lies that got them criminal jeopardy as has been seen.

And the Campaign Chairman handing over 75 pages of polling data to his russian buddy sure as hell is conspiracy to commit fraud against the united states. Conspiracy, cooperation, collaboration and coordination. The examples are strewn throughout Muellers INDICTMENTS and SENTENCING STATEMENTS.

Of course for trumpettes its much easier to simply claim NO COLLUSION as their mantra. Trump seems to think it works.

 

We've already been over this. This special counsel should have been tasked to go after each campaign and their foreign contacts. It did not. It should have hired a mix of Republicans and Democrats. It did not. It placed bullseye directly on Trump and his campaign. It's struck out there. Not a single accusation of wrongdoing by the campaign. It's a political witch hunt. One of the greatest frauds in American political history.

 

First, please stop with the Trump talk, this thread is about the left and their role in the obvious Russian collusion.

It's time for a special counsel and not the Mueller team. What are the left afraid of? Something to hide? It would only be fair, right? I have a feeling all we would hear is the lefts typical pleading the 5th. But the way Hillary got away with stealing the election from Bernie, nothing will come of it. This nation is beyond corrupt. Seems the left have turned us into Russia.

 

According to one report, the Russians had a folder which was too complex for trump jr to follow so he apparently forward the material to somebody that might be able to cipher it out. If that's the case then mueller should have tracked down a copy of it by now. You can bet he's be looking for it.

 

They weren't "foreign contacts." They were being in contact with someone who was in contact with someone who had a foreign contact. Even then, you are right, we have been over this. And I agreed that the Clinton campaign should be investigated. It is as true as it is completely irrelevant. And, no, there should be no political test for who the FBI assigned. And it was headed by Republicans anyway, not Democrats. And, no, there was no such "bullseye" except the one the campaign drew around itself. And there are many accusations of wrongdoing by the campaign. You still need to learn what the phrase "witch hunt" actually means or you need to familiarize yourself with the facts.

 

Process crimes that arise from a phony investigation itself (such as a false statement to an agent) don't make the underlying investigation legitimate. The investigation is only legitimate IF the underlying thing they are investigating is legitimate. Good lord, man. Stop embarrassing yourself.

He was not charged with turning any campaign materials over. There was no crime. The "conspiracy, collaboration, and coordination" have nothing to do with the Trump campaign. They have to do with Manafort's personal business dealings. You are smart enough to know the difference, right? Right? Good lord, it's like talking to a 4 year old. Simple concepts don't register.

There was no collusion. There was no conspiracy. There has not been a single charge that anyone while working on behalf the campaign. Those are facts. This was the greatest political witch hunt in American history.

 

Sounds like bullshit to me.

 

Mueller was supposed to be investigating Russian interference in US elections and any ancillary crimes. If the Russians did indeed have dirt on Clinton, that should have been investigated. That very dirt is supposed to be what the Russians offered.

Oughtn't we know exactly what was supposedly offered?

 

Absolutely there should be. That legitimizes the investigation in the eyes of the American people. That team was filled with Trump-hating, Hillary donating Democrats. Probably shouldn't task guys that attended Hillary's election night party to go after Trump. That's credible.

Sessions recused himself. Nice try, however. Rosenstein is no Republican. Rosenstein hated Trump and wanted to get even because Trump actually used Rosenstein's own written memo as justification to fire Comey. If Rosenstein didn't want it used he shouldn't have written it. He talked about wearing a mic to take down the President shortly after that and talked about invoking the 25th amendment. When Republicans in Congress demanded he be brought in to talk about it he's dodged showing up. He's a corrupt, little toady. And now that he is being pushed out of leading this witch hunt he's going to disappear.

Trump didn't "bullseye" himself with talk of an "insurance policy" to take himself down. He wasn't responsible for the FBI investigating him and spying on his campaign using a phony foreigin dossier composed by a foreign national and paid for by Hillary Clinton herself. Trump was the victim of all that. And when they didn't like him fighting back against that nonsense they ramped it up by assigning a special counsel and tring to secretly invoke the 25th amendment. Two years later.....no charge whatsoever against his campaign. It's a witch hunt. President Trump is the victim of some of the nastiness, most corrupt left wing tactics in American history.

 

Mueller was supposed to be investigating Russian interference and any connections between Russia and (specifically) the Trump campaign.

Once again, deflection is desperation. The only people who have actively been trying to hide what was "supposedly offered" have been members of the Trump campaign, by the way.

 

I had to stop you right there. Your "one report" ends up being fake left wing news. Not credible. Nothing else deserves mention.

 

Why would Trump hide evidence of Clinton's malfeasance while Secretary of State?

 

The media would repeat the word 'collusion and the President would respond with 'no collusion' It makes sense, right? If the media said 'conspiracy' he would respond with 'no conspiracy',

You seem to be posting before you understand what was said.

Now you're getting too silly.

See above.

 

Mueller is a Republican. Rosenstein is a Republican. Keep up. And, no, a concerted effort to hire Trump worshippers to investigate the Trump campaign is complete nonsense.

You should actually read those texts if you are going to talk about them. And, yes, the Trump campaign painted a bullseye around themselves with their activities and attempts to cover up those activities.

The campaign was responsible for the FBI investigating them. And the investigation didn't start with the dossier. And the only person targeted for surveillance because of the dossier (through corroboration) was someone who wasn't even part of the campaign anymore.

Members of the campaign have, indeed, been charged. And the investigation isn't over yet. The "witch hunt" complaints are fake.

It isn't "left wing" it isn't "corrupt" and Trump isn't a "victim." It's law and order.

 

Ask the Trump campaign why they first hid the meeting and then hid the fact that it was to discuss dirt on Clinton. This isn't up for debate. This is established objective fact. I'm sorry if it is inconvenient for your politics, but it remains a matter of fact.

 

There was and is evidence of Hillary Clinton committing a crime. That was never true of the Trump Campaign. That's why the subsequent investigation of only one election campaign party is rightly called a "Witch Hunt".

 

Is there a law against getting dirt on Hillary Clinton? Are you aware of the term "Opposition Research"?