The coup investigation is about to enter a new phase.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here’s The 7-Part Plan The Jan. 6 Committee Says Trump Followed To Steal Power

    1. President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to the American public claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.

    2. President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice would support his fake election claims.

    3. President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in violation of the US Constitution and the law.

    4. President Trump corruptly pressured state election officials, and state legislators, to change election results.

    5. President Trump’s legal team and other Trump associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to Congress and the National Archives.

    6. President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.

    7. As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-committee-says-trump-followed-to-steal-power
     
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    Schiff: Jan. 6 Panel Will Show Evidence Of GOPers’ Requests For Pardons From Trump

    Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), who serves on the Jan. 6 Select Committee, on Sunday said the panel plans to show evidence that GOP members of Congress sought pardons from former President Trump in light of their involvement with efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

    During the committee’s first public hearing last week, vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) said that Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA) and “multiple other Republican congressmen” sought presidential pardons for their roles in Trump’s election steal scheme. Cheney also suggested that the panel’s third public hearing scheduled for Wednesday will feature information about efforts by GOP lawmakers, including Perry, to secure a pardon for themselves after Jan. 6. Perry’s spokesperson Jay Ostrich denied Cheney’s allegation, telling reporters that the claim is a “laughable, ludicrous and a thoroughly soulless lie.”

    Congressional investigators believe Perry was involved in a scheme to install Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark as acting attorney general in an effort to weaponize the DOJ as a means to overturn Trump’s 2020 loss. Alongside four other Republican lawmakers, Perry was subpoenaed by the committee for testimony. They have all refused to comply.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/schiff-january-6-committee-republicans-trump-pardons

    Seems like Jordan is a likely candidate.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    And where is the cross examination to these allegations? This is just one side of it.
     
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    ~ Conveniently no cross examination was allowed. :eyes: Pelosi Power ! :wierdface:'
     
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    Former Attorney General Bill Barr says Trump would not listen when he told him election fraud claims were false

    Former Attorney General William Barr picked apart claims of widespread fraud during his conversations with President Donald Trump after the 2020 election, but Trump refused to believe that the results were legitimate, Barr said in recorded testimony presented Monday.

    In comments to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, Barr portrayed Trump’s election fraud claims as farcical. Barr’s testimony, shown at the panel’s second public hearing detailing the findings of its probe, portrayed Trump as unwilling to believe his then-attorney general when he dismissed false claims about the election results.

    “After the election, he didn’t seem to be listening,” Barr said in describing his interactions with Trump following the former president’s loss to President Joe Biden.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/bil...-6-committee-about-trump-election-claims.html

    It's smart of the committee to establish Trump was repeatedly told by those in the admin that he lost the election. It makes it all the more difficult for Don to plead delusional idiocy. He's going to have to stick with fraudulent idiocy.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    A Jan. 6 panel member says Trump raising money off bogus election claims was ‘the big rip-off.’

    As it zoomed in on the origins, spread and consequences of Mr. Trump’s election lie, the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol also made the case on Monday that his false claims amounted to a fraud perpetrated on his supporters.

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California, wrapped up Monday’s session by laying out how Mr. Trump’s campaign, a related political action committee and his allies raised $250 million by claiming they were fighting widespread election fraud at a time when they knew there was none.

    “Throughout the committee’s investigation, we found evidence that the Trump campaign and its surrogates misled donors as to where their funds would go and what they would be used for, so not only was there the big lie, there was the big rip-off,” Ms. Lofgren said. “Donors deserve to know where their funds are really going. They deserve better than what President Trump and his team did.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/0...off-bogus-election-claims-was-the-big-rip-off

    Are there any Trumper's out there interested in filing a class action suit for getting fleeced by the Orange Elmer Gantry?
     
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    House Jan. 6 Committee chair Bennie Thompson (D-MS) told reporters on Monday that the committee won’t be making criminal referrals against Trump or his other cronies to the Justice Department because “that’s not our job”–but that was apparently news to the other committee members.

    • The panel “has not issued a conclusion regarding potential criminal referrals,” vice chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) tweeted on Monday night.
    • Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) told CNN that he and his fellow panel members “haven’t had a discussion about that” and that he thought the committee was waiting until after the investigation was over to make a final decision.
    • Rep. Elaine Luria (D-VA) tweeted that it is, in fact, the committee’s “responsibility” to report any criminal activity it finds in the investigation, and that it has yet to vote on the issue.
    • A committee spokesperson walked back Thompson’s comment later Monday, saying that the panel will, “if warranted,” make criminal referrals.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/jan-6-committee-thompson-trump-criminal-referral

    Whether they ultimately make criminal referrals or not there's no question Trump was involved in criminal activity.
     
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    Hillary, Schiff, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Cheney and the rest are all guilty of criminal activity whether criminal referrals are handed out or not.
     
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    ~ Don't forget Clapper, Brennon, Comey and Holder — all ignored by AG Barr and Sessions .
     
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    You won't get an argument from me.. The swamp runs deep. Trump could spit on the sidewalk and be under investigation in no time... There is documentation and evidence on all you mentioned that could meet the minimum to initiate an investigation.
     
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    ~ Sad but true ... :steamed:
     
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    This is only tangentially related to the attempted coup but comes out as a result of the 1/6 committee's work.

    Turning Point USA Funded Guilfoyle’s $60K Speaking Fee At Jan. 6 Rally

    Turning Point USA, a pro-Trump organization, reportedly funded Kimberly Guilfoyle’s $60,000 fee to introduce her fiancé Donald Trump Jr. in a speech that lasted under three minutes at the “Stop the Steal” rally that preceded the deadly Capitol insurrection on Jan. 6, multiple people familiar with Guilfoyle’s compensation told CNN.

    CNN’s report comes a day after the Jan. 6 Select Committee’s second public hearing, in which the panel dissected Trump and his allies’ boost of the Big Lie following the 2020 election, despite how the then-President’s campaign staff knew that the election results were legitimate. Towards the end of the hearing, the panel focused on Trump’s fundraising and found that the then-President pushed the Big Lie as a tactic to raise millions of dollars. That money, the committee found, was used for Trump’s crusade to subvert the election results.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/turning-point-usa-guilfoyle-january-6-stop-the-steal-rally

    I wonder how it makes adoring Trump fans feel to know some of the money they gave to Don to stop the nonexistent steal went to pay Donnie J's main squeeze a large speaking fee?
     
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    Give them time, they are still trying to engineer new ways to fabricate the "facts" they need to convince us, and they are seriously short of anything to work with. But you can bet they will concoct some even wilder scenario; perhaps Trump is an alien or controlled by aliens that want to make us all subservient drones? No, that couldn't be it; the dems already have that plan for us now. But you can bet they won't give up, because if they ever quit pushing the charade or acknowledge truth, their party is toast and they know it. Seems they are never satisfied- yet terrified of looking at the mirror for fear of what they would see.
    Truth has a funny way of swinging back and kicking your ass when you push it aside, kind of like a pendulum. It's coming.
     
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    Alleged Proud Boys Plan For Jan. 6 Revealed In Court Filing

    A document filed as an exhibit in the Proud Boys federal criminal case purports to show a plan for occupying federal buildings on Jan. 6. Proud Boy defendant Zachary Rehl, who faces charges of seditious conspiracy, filed the plan, titled “1776 Returns,” as an exhibit in his case as part of an argument for why he should no longer be detained pending trial.

    Prosecutors cited the “1776” plan in charging documents filed this year against Rehl and other Proud Boys, including the group’s leader, Enrique Tarrio. The New York Times reported on it in March.

    The nine-page document outlines a sweeping plan to occupy federal buildings on Jan. 6, laid out over five parts titled “Infiltrate,” “Execution,” “If necessary, distract,” “Occupy,” and “sit in.”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/alleged-proud-boys-plan-for-jan-6-revealed-in-court-filing

    While most of the duped nitwits who participated in the riot didn't, the Proud Boys had a plan.
     
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    DOJ Probes Trump Lawyers Over Fake Elector Scheme

    Federal prosecutors are investigating the Trump attorneys who worked on the plan to send alternate slates of electors to Congress for Jan. 6, the New York Times reports.

    A D.C. federal grand jury has issued multiple subpoenas, the newspaper reported, asking for information about attorneys who developed the plan, which called for pro-Trump electors in states that Trump lost to sign certificates.

    Those reportedly named in the subpoenas include Rudy Giuliani, Trump attorney John Eastman, and Ken Chesebro. TPM profiled Chesebro on Thursday; the Trump lawyer, who, according to memos released by the Times, appears to have come up with the plan for alternate slates of electors, had avoided the press before TPM’s exclusive interview.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nyt-doj-probes-trump-lawyers-over-fake-elector-scheme

    The DoJ is also demanding that the 1/6 committee hand over all the transcripts from their interviews. It would appear Merrick is kicking it up a notch.
     
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    One of the takeaways from yesterday's hearings is how clear it is once Trump understood Pence wasn't going along with the coup plot, he used the threat of physical violence to try to get Pence to leave the Capital. The goal being for 1/6 to come to and end without Biden being certified as prez. Because at that point it was game over for Don.
     
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    You are not only writing fiction, but that is extreme projecting. The loons on the Right are the ones with aliens, and dozens of other lunatic notions.

    There is sworn testimony from a ton of Trump guys...

    Then there are thousands of documents that paint a very clear picture of what happened.

    But there's more, now that Posner retired, Judge Luttig is who Republicans turn to when they have to deal with something like this. It's what Pence did.

    This is madness.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...nstitutional-crisis-by-following-trump-order/
     
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    That is what has The Following's shorts in a bunch. Despite displaying extreme cowardice by not coming forth earlier, these former members of the admin are now telling their first hand accounts of what happened in the days leading up to 1/6. All their sworn testimony is burying the lying Trump narrative and The Following is struggling to cope.
     
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    It's a cult, and they've started to move away from Trump. So I've changed the name, it's the Death Cult now.
     
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    There's a case to be made Trump was purposely putting Pence in harm's way in order to get him to leave the Capital so 1/6 would come and go without Biden being certified, thus leaving the answer to the question...."what happens next".....up in the air.
     
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    If this wasn't an ex-president, he'd already be in jail.
     
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    There's no question he would have been prosecuted for obstruction of Mueller's investigation if not for the OLC opinion. Mueller had a rock solid case on multiple charges.
     
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    Whats his face went to jail over the porn star thing. And he was less guilty than Trump..
     
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    This is a reporting of the findings of an investigation that lasted a year. There is no prosecutor or defense; there are facts, what happened at OUR Capitol January 6th 2021, who caused it, who participated and how to prevent it from ever happening again.
     
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    According tooooo ... you? LOL
     

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