The Dangerous Lie That ‘Bush Lied’

Well, I always assume it was Cheney who made all of the decisions, and Bush played with coloring books in the corner. But, Bush and his family have always owned a lot of oil companies. They have direct incentive to want Iraqi oil.

 

...and, of course, they got the Iraqi oil when they declared victory. Didn't they?

 

That's not how it works. Control and piece of the action. That's what US interests want. I believe the Iraqi Oil leases still vest ownership in the IRaqi people for the most part. But developing those natural resources for consumption is the piece of action sought by Shell, BP, Exxon, etc. And they got what they wanted.

 

Gee... I don't know why I felt that way at the time. It was the conclusion I came to based on the information of the time. We had just emerged from the dark ages of the 1900's and Al Gore's most excellent internet invention was just getting traction. My feeling was that GWB dispatched his minions to come up with a 'slam-dunk' case for invading Iraq. I don't think GWB lied, I think he was willfully misled. 'Build me a case.' 'Give me no other choice.'

My outrage was probably more that I didn't see any connection to 9-11 in Iraq, and that should have been, in my view, the primary focus of our operations in the M.E.. I did not see any strategic or defensive gain to be had there. I did not see any actionable threat to U.S. interests there. I did not understand why the focus changed from finding and killing those responsible for 9-11 to Hussein and his WMDs.

It's easy to Monday Morning QB, but I will posit that, in the end, we did more damage to Iraq, and killed more of the Iraqi people than Hussein would have done had we left him with his WMDs. Hussein was somewhat of a stabilizing force in the region, and taking him out has caused the dreaded 'unintended consequences' that are usually reserved for well meaning, but misguided liberals. The price we paid in Iraq was not worth the result we achieved, and we continue to pay the price, to this day, for our actions (and inactions) there.

 

That's interesting. Can you elaborate on how those companies, as a result of our overthrow of Hussein, got some 'spoils of war' benefit?

 

No, because they are stupid.

They assumed that the people of Iraq would be so happy to have the freedom to give in a US dictated puppet government that they would just hand the oil rights to the US.

 

They didn't. They sold most of the oil to China. But, since when is failing to get what you want the same as not wanting it to begin with?

 

Wow, really? Personally, I didn't know that there was any expectation by the Bush family that Iraqis would just hand over their only natural resource in gratitude for their liberation. If true, that IS truly a stupid expectation.

 

None of the majors bid on Iraqi oil concessions.. Iraq was still too dangerous.. Some of the minors did but production is still quite low.. What does China have to do with Iraqi oil?

 

I want a gold plated Bugatti Veyron hovercraft. Not getting it is not the same as not wanting it. The things that I want that are not attainable are irrelevant. I'm 100% sure that Exxon would like to have ALL the remaining oil on the planet. What they want is irrelevant.

But, wait... you're saying Exxon took Iraqi oil and sold it to China, or the Iraqis sold most of it to China?

 

China bid on Iraqi oil blocks.. but its not been successful. I think they have evacuated twice ...

 

Your claim is fallacious and biased as you well know the facts are there to disprove that Bush lied. So much so that Bush went to Congress for permission to invade Iraq. Seems a Bi-partisan Bill was passed by both Houses that Obama is trying to change right now even though he has used the same authorization. Seems Congress is not cooperating with Obama right now, why is that?

 

http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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Did these people know it was bad?


http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

 

Do some research on this, and learn about Production Sharing Agreements, an arrangement that no other Middle Eastern oil state has, and which Iraq didn't have until after the US invasion, and some Texas lawyers tried to dictate Iraq's petroleum laws to the Iraqi Parliment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charlie-cray/the-plan-to-steal-iraqs-o_b_11793.html

This, and Cheney and PNAC's essentially imperial vision of a permanent US military occupation of Iraq were what the war was really about.

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You're a little late. Another Bush Dead Ender has already recycled these.

 

Really?

http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

 

I had seen some ******* post that the democrats were not beating the WMD drum. This is for that poster and the other ignorant folk who don't know what they are talking about.

 

Don't change the subject. When Team Bush told us there was absolute certainty about the existence of Saddam's WMD stockpiles, they knew that was a false statement. They were aware of the caveats and qualifiers that were part and parcel of each and every NIE issued on that subject. There WAS doubt. Some of the intelligence was old. Some based upon less than rock solid satellite photo analysis. Some of it was old and single sourced without independent verification. There were pages and pages of documented doubt. Doubt existed. To then, knowingly, say "there is no doubt" is telling a lie. You can spin that all you like. You can run away from it, and change the subject and try to show how many democrats said nearly the same thing... and all that tap dancing does not change the fact that "there is no doubt" was a lie.

 

Prove that.

Were these people lying too?

http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

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Speaking of 'liars'.................

Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction ...
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Democrats on Iraq's WMD - YouTube
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Watch and listen to the Democrats claim Iraq has WMD and that Saddam aided terrorists including Al Qaeda.
Democrats, WMD's & The Iraq War - YouTube
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Listen to what the Democrats really said in their own words!
WMD Quotes from Democrats - YouTube
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WMD quotes from leaders of the democratic party. They voted to go to war with Iraq and also believed Iraq ...
Democrats on WMD before Bush - YouTube
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WMD Democrats - YouTube
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How is Bush the liar about WMD if Democrats were saying Saddam had WMD long before Bush came along ...
Democrats & The Iraq War: WMDs & the Surge - YouTube
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The Secret Casualties of Iraq's Abandoned Chemical Weapons ...
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Democrats on WMD before the Iraq War. Democrat politicians speaking on WMDs in Iraq ... before the Iraq War ...
Clinton Iraq War WMD Speech in 1998 Desert Fox Bush ...
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Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 5:23
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Listen to the Democrats mislead, distort, and otherwise lie about the Iraq War. ... Clinton Iraq War WMD ...

 

those people were certainly aware of the doubts contained in the various NIE's issued on the subject.

Again... what someone ELSE said is irrelevant as to whether or not what Team Bush said was or was not a lie.

Bush was the decider in chief. Bush ordered our troops into battle. NO ONE ELSE did that.

 

I did do research on this about 8 or 9 years ago and nothing has changed. Big Oil belonging to the coalition of the willing still run the processing of Iraq oil. They got their piece of the action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Iraq#Service_Contracts_Licensing_Results

 

Cut the tap dance. Were they liars or not? Sounds to me like they were pretty adamant that there were WMD's.


Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction ...
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 3:47
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk
May 26, 2008 - Uploaded by EyeTubeOnUtube
At one time the Democrats and Republicans agreed on one thing: that Iraq and Saddam Hussein had WMD's ...
Democrats on Iraq's WMD - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 6:18
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts
Aug 12, 2006 - Uploaded by Marc Landers
Watch and listen to the Democrats claim Iraq has WMD and that Saddam aided terrorists including Al Qaeda.
Democrats, WMD's & The Iraq War - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 3:48
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
Apr 8, 2008 - Uploaded by dr2sky
Listen to what the Democrats really said in their own words!
WMD Quotes from Democrats - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 3:34
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA
Jan 5, 2008 - Uploaded by thedrowningfly
WMD quotes from leaders of the democratic party. They voted to go to war with Iraq and also believed Iraq ...
Democrats on WMD before Bush - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 2:45
www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MxHAaShc8
Sep 26, 2014 - Uploaded by Musicmanzer
A rebuke of ideological left wingers who continue to misinform low information voters, especially disinterested ...
WMD Democrats - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 7:32
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg195sgzXhU
Sep 5, 2008 - Uploaded by ChrisIIIcube
How is Bush the liar about WMD if Democrats were saying Saddam had WMD long before Bush came along ...
Democrats & The Iraq War: WMDs & the Surge - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 9:41
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDSYH0E9bOQ
Nov 16, 2013 - Uploaded by BoogieFinger
The Secret Casualties of Iraq's Abandoned Chemical Weapons ...
LiveLeak.com - Democrats on WMD before the Iraq War
Video for democrats on wmd▶
www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae9_1207228741
Apr 3, 2008
Democrats on WMD before the Iraq War. Democrat politicians speaking on WMDs in Iraq ... before the Iraq War ...
Clinton Iraq War WMD Speech in 1998 Desert Fox Bush ...
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 9:58
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps9j22G9HLE
Feb 7, 2008 - Uploaded by RedNebulaStudios
A Shocking Video of Clinton saying the exact same things Bush would later say. The Democrats and the media ...
Democrats Hypocrisy Over The Iraq War - YouTube
Video for democrats on wmd▶ 5:23
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE
May 7, 2007 - Uploaded by thefifthcolumnreport
Listen to the Democrats mislead, distort, and otherwise lie about the Iraq War. ... Clinton Iraq War WMD ...

 

Prove that NIE's contain caveats and qualifiers? Is that what you want me to do?

Have you ever SEEN an intelligence estimate?

Spooks will put caveats and qualifiers on just about anything short of a prediction that the sun will rise tomorrow.

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no tap dancing needed. I don't care one bit whether anyone else overstated the case for Saddam's WMD's. That does not, in any way, make what Team Bush told us any less of a lie.

 

No doubt many cowardly democrats did side with Bush. I mean here we were on the heels of the worst attack on US soil in history b/c the Bush administration dropped the ball on terrorism and forced the country to watch over 3000 Americans die on national TV.

That being said, Bush as Cmdr in chief of the US military, could have ordered the Iraq invasion any time he wanted...in the case of an emergency threat posed by Iraq.

But there was no threat.

So Bush ran to the Congress and asked for authorization to invade the country to defend us from attack and force UN inspections.

Only Bush could order the invasion under the Iraq Resolution and only in the case of defending the US or to enforce WMD inspections.

Did Iraq attack the US, an ally or a US interest? No.

Was Iraq about to attack the US, an ally or a US interest? No.

Were the UN WMD inspections ongoing? They sure were. Blix was begging for more time to complete his task.

So, why did Bush order the invasion? I don't know and it sure looks illegal under US (Iraq Resolution) and International Law (UN Charter).

 

LOL! Look at the dates of the quotes. Most of them 3 years prior to GW taking office. Spare me.

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Then we agree that dems were liars. Thank you.

 

Remember when Bush was pushing the "They'll view us as liberators BS? Members of his administration were publically talking about how much oil the US would get, even as Bush was claiming it was not about getting oil, but "spreading freedom".