The dark side of the Left’s tyrannical ‘democracy’

Of course there is ever the more so as the population grows.

It's not as though they were unaware that that would happen someday.

So you think the centers of population should just choose the president for the rest of the nation every single time right?

That if you happen to live in oh say Kansas.... You are just SOL and you never see a president you want right?

 

What the hell do you think the Religious Conservative Right tried on January 6th 2021? IF Benedict Donald and his mob had been successful do you think we would have Government BY the People today?

 

I love how you partisans like to pretend roughly 300 people represent roughly 67 million....

 

What People? What people want to totally rework the Constitution?

->IF<- OUR Constitution was amended so the Voters, not proxies, elected the President and Vice President, as they do in ALL other U.S. elections, why would that take away States responsibility to conduct their own election for President and Vice-President?

->IF<- OUR President and Vice-President were elected by the People why would that leave doubt as to who the Legitimate President is; IT seems to me WITH the EC there has never been more doubt about a Presidential election in our history. I've never heard of calls for Civil War before, in my 70 years; not until Donald Judas tRump cast doubt on OUR election and tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power we've come to expect.

I find your argument reactionary, conflated and inaccurate.

 

Why should a persons vote be discounted because they live where there is economic success? The EC cancels out their vote.
People in Kansas voted for Hillary, and Al gore. The EC canceled their vote as well.
People in Cali voted for Trump right, their votes were canceled. So you just provided an argument to be rid of the EC.

 

They continue to represent only those who still support Trump.
Its not 67 million people anymore after that stunt. The numbers have dwindled.

 

I provided no such argument it is not my fault that you would falsely interpret that.

So you folks in favor of getting rid of the EC, you think you know more than our founding fathers did?

What you folks may or may not realize is you're arguing for one party rule and that's a terrible idea no matter which side it falls on.

 

Why should a Kansas voter's vote count more than New York or California.

 

Over 75 million!

 

Yep, 200+ yrs makes for a lot of exp.

 

How is 1 vote 1 person mean any 1 party will rule?
If your candidate fails to attract voters, then its not what the people want. And dont give me people just go to freebies, cause i hear immigrants all the time claiming they just left socialist countries and would never vote for that.

Nothings stopping people from joining a party and changing it from the inside. Half the problems with any party now are all the independents who cant mold a party from the inside out. They just leave and hope for the best.

 

No way to be rid of it. Too tough to get 2/3 of all the states or 2/3 of both houses to pass it and then either way get 38 states to ratify that change. The solution is for all 50 states to follow the Maine and Nebraska model where instead of winner take all its winner of each house district in a state gets that elector and the winner of the state popular vote gets the 2 electors for the states 2 senators elected statewide. Then democrats in red states votes count and Republican votes in blue states count too. Republicans might have gotten 7-9 ev’s from California last year and democrats would have done about the same in Texas.

 

Nah, then gerrymandering becomes a thing. Just let each persons vote be counted. Whats so difficult about that?

 

What I mean is people continue to use excuses on how difficult it would be to pass. I dont see arguments for why it should pass. Not alot of people against it give straight answers aside from feeling as though their position isnt popular.

 

Funny how you never heard anyone complaining about the EC until Hillary lost....

You can feel however you want about it but what you cannot do is change it.

Complaining about it on a somewhat obscure internet forum will do nothing to change it

 

How much would you guys have flipped ur lid if Trump actually won the popular vote this time, but still lost. There ya go.
Trump supporters are flipping out even though he lost both popular and electoral. I didn't see republicans complaining about Bush's brother when he tossed out dem ballots in Florida neither.

 

Well ya, those things all undermine the will of the mob. There's enough people who just vote however they're told on twitter and facebook that a very small group of technocrats can guide public policy. But some of the things they want to do are unlawful (unconstitutional). The tyranny of the law still stands firmly in the way of the tyranny of the (manipulated) majority. Almost like the people who created our system of government nearly 250 years ago new that democracy was its own greatest enemy unless there were limits put on what the people could vote to do. We've done pretty much everything the law will allow (and then some...), now those limits are being strained.

 

The electoral college isn't going anywhere. Many here seem unable to grasp this, but our political establishment is fully aware that getting rid of the electoral college would create a 'breach of contract' situation between fedgov and the states. This is becuase there were many states who refused to join the union without some sort of protection against being democratically overruled by more populous states (which is another way of saying they werent willing to join a fully democratic union) and thus The Great Compromise (and the EC) was born. Getting rid of it would be the nationwide version of cheating on your spouse. Just like how a breach of the agreement to monogamy legitimizes divorce, a breach of the agreement to hold limits on democratic rule will legitimize state secession and break up the union.

So if secession is what you want, then go right ahead and get rid of the EC. We might be due for a 'divorce' anyway. But don't say you werent warned

Additionally, if we do get rid of the EC and states start seceding, this opens up the potential for parts of states to 'defect' to other states. Eastern WA and OR, for example, have way more in common culturally with Idaho than they do with the western coastal portions of their own states, and movements showing interest in 'restating' have been around for decades. The laws of the union regarding state boundaries make that pretty much a pipedream as it is now. But if Idaho were to secede from the union, there isn't much (besides war) preventing portions of WA and OR from going with them.

The picture I hope to be painting here is that the EC is pretty much the only thing preventing the nation from splitting up into a big inland red chunk with sparse population, lots of agriculture and very little 'tech' industry and a thin blue coastal border around it with lots of tech geeks and hungry overpopulated ghettos.

 

Right wing echochamber drivel.

If I believed half of what republicans say about liberals I'd still be a republican.

But let's get a few things straight.

What if Pence and complied with Trump's request? There's a constitutional crisis, right there.

What if several of the Secretary's of State Trump solicited to thwart the elections in those states had succeeded?

Another constitutional crisis.

IN fact, the very fact we didn't have a constitutional crisis was due to the honorable officials in those posts.

Next year, with republicans putting in so many less than honorable partisan hacks ( how do we know? -- well, they believe in the Trump lie) in those posts, a veritable coup will happen, if the election repeats itself were a democrat wins, when Trump is on the ballot and refuses to concede, and this time there will be a constitutional crisis.

What then?

But it came that close, this time.

And you are going to sit there and tell me Trump, et al, was not a threat to constitution, no it's dems?

You must be totally blind.

Especially if you are going to tell me Trump was right, then you are totally deluded beyond repair and this country is going down.

Did you hear the DTjr speech the other day? He basically said, take over By any justifiable means, screw decency, screw the Bible, dems are the enemy, blah blah blah, talk along these lines. Never before in history had the right ever talked like that, until Trump came along. The left isn't any different than we were under LBJ or FDR. What changed? You guys did, you now are to the right of proverbial Attila the Hun.

Let's get one thing straight, 1/6 was a practice run.

Can you possibly fathom there the right is headed, for pure tyranny, total confrontation, and you guys have the gall of accusing dems of 'authoritarianism'?

In my entire life, I've never seen nor hear of such up is down, black is white, right is wrong, wrong is right total ****ing insanity coming from the right, the right has so far off the rails it's tragic.

Of course you don't, you've been hypnotized by a master conman of the century, Donald J Trump

 

You have got to be kidding me.

Do you even understand how our constitution and government work? Because I don’t think you do.

Are you under the impression that the founders didn’t consider a national vote instead of an electoral college?

Here, before I completely destroy your argument let me ask you this. Why do we have an electoral college? I’ll give you part of the reason so you can give me the other part. Part of the reason is that smaller states NEVER would have agreed to be part of the US without the electoral college. But there’s another reason... I’ll give you a hint. How is house membership appointed? How is the senate appointed?

 

It’s like you live in a fairy tale world. Since you are so concerned about Trump trying to takeover on 1/6 What do you think would have happened on 1/6 if the federal government was in control of elections?

 

Same question to you. If the federal government controlled all aspects of the election, since you think Trump tried to steal it... what would have happened Jan 6 if Trump controlled the election?

 

Because pure democracy is one of the single most dangerous systems in the history of mankind. That’s why.

Are you under the impression the founders didn’t consider it?

 

How many angels could dance on the head of a pen if angels could do such a thing?

You Democrats were discussing how to rig the election in 2016 by faithless electors.

 

He would have stolen the election; no doubt.

But, you're missing my point. Just because an amendment to abolish the EC and adopt a popular vote system became law, that doesn't mean the Federal Government would take over the State's responsibility to run "THEIR" Presidential election.

The election of President and Vice-president would become similar to how States choose Senators and Representatives. Instead of agragating the EC votes the popular vote from each State would be sumed to determine the winning ticket.