The Electoral College achieved what the Framers feared most

You should hope he would be, as there are still more than 10 dem candidates. How is he doing against Biden?

Keep on thinking we all love him. It's really all you've got for 2020 as most people are aware he's done NOTHING to have the economy he enjoys and may be ****ing it up as we speak.

 

Higher than Biden. LOL, I guess economists are all wrong and the left wing armchair economists are correct.

 

As usual Sandy your talking foolish.Our framers created the Electoral College to give all Americans a chance to pick the next President and not allow three or four large states dominate every election where most of the smaller states had no say at all.

Yes, Trump lost by just three million votes. LA County alone has over nine million people by it's self. So three million isn't much of a deal. The Democrats lost the electorial vote by a land slide. Most of the counties all across the country voted Red.

Yes we use the popular vote in state elections, as it should be.

You always come across as thinking your smarter than others. People today aren't as uneducated as they were back then and they want a say in who gets elected. We don't want NY, with the bias NY Times brainwashing the voters so they vote the way they tell them to.


We have a President who cares very much about our national security. That's why he put pressure on NATO to build up our very weak Alliance. That's why he poured billions into our military that Obama let fall into disrepair with over 70% of Navy and Marine fighter jets and heavy lift helicopters grounded because the couldn't fly. We had submarines dry docked for repair, some out of service for up to four years. He saw we were losing our steel industry and went ahead to fix that, knowing you can't have a world power if you don't have a steel industry and manufacturing. He went right ahead and fixed both. If you want to blame anyone for not caring about National Security, you had no farther to look than Obama. He made a mess of the war against ISIS and dragged the war on six years longer than it had to.

This nation was in bad shape when Trump came in. Over 90% of Obama's job creation was in the service industry. Many of those jobs couldn't support a person, much less a family. Military in bad shape. Our VA was a mess. over the years thousands of our veterans died just waiting to get in. Economist said manufacturing was gone and we must except America becoming a service industry. Wages were stagnate, health care rising when we were told it would be $2,500.00 cheaper. Medicine was going throught the roof. People had to choose food over life saving medicine. Trump has fixed most of that already. We now have the hottest economy on the planet. More people working than at any time in our history. Blacks and Hispanics have seen the lowest unemployment in their history. The stock market is at all time high. Great for our pensions and 401_k's.

Yes, Trump can sometimes be crude. He lies a lot, but he knows business. He loves America and he isn't going to leave office till he gets America back to where it should be. He is just what America needs today and it's why his followers pay little attention to what he says. It's what he does for this country that important to everyone. He has done a hell of a lot. So get over your hate for him and look at what he has accomplished.

 

Damn. that was a excellent read.. I wish I'd have read sooners! Very well done man, it should actually be made a sticky so as to squelch any and all uneducated attacks on the EC..

 

Now. Unlikely after 2020; there are 26 pubs vs 13 dems up, dems only need to gain 3 seats to be the majority and the pubs will have shown themselves to be total toadies of the Worst President Ever

 

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Here's the 2020 senate election map.
Why do you think the GOP has something to worry about?

 

And has about as much chance of becoming law as I do of jumping over the empire State building in my skivies.

 

I was going to actually respond to each point and discuss on the merits of your strongest arguments, but 7 paragraphs in, I can't. This is probably the stupidest thing you've ever written.

 

The bill was approved in 2016 by a unanimous bipartisan House committee vote in both Georgia (16 electoral votes) and Missouri (10).

Since 2006, the bill has passed 40 state legislative chambers in 24 rural, small, medium, large, Democratic, Republican and purple states with 271 electoral votes, including one house in Arizona (11), Arkansas (6), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Minnesota (10), North Carolina (15), and Oklahoma (7), and both houses in Nevada (6).

The bill has been enacted by 16 small, medium, and large jurisdictions with 196 electoral votes – 73% of the way to guaranteeing the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate with the most national popular votes.

 

Good luck with that. Not gonna happen in the United States. Might happen in whatever results AFTER the inevitable secession, but never in the United States.

Also slimy to dissemble with "state legislative chambers" instead of simply saying "states" and then trying to blend that into the whole state's legislature. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

Haha I’m going to use the excuse that I had just read ‘non-college educated whites’.

 

Truth be told - the Economy was pretty good in the first 2 year of Trump. The 3rd year - not so much.

With almost a full year left to go - the jury is still out. What I can say is that there is plenty of nervousness out there among the prognosticators that I follow. GDP has dropped off - Manufacturing index has contracted for its 4th month in a row - and I don't know that this pain can be solved simply by ending the Trade war with China - mind you that will help. On the fence on this one.

Should we get a surge of confidence back into the markets via the Trade war ending - and the first year of the new decade is good - Trump has a good shot.

 

Housing confidence is at an all time high. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.

 

Good .

 

The only people who want to get rid of the EC. Are power hungry bastards who cannot stand having nearly everything go their way. They are unhappy until they have all the power all the time.

 

Consumer confidence is pretty good right now but - not at an all time high. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence
Housing confidence is even better - but again - not an all time high... highest in 20 years.

So the underlying figures do not look so good - but consumer confidence is high ! and they are going out and buying houses.

In the case of housing the confidence is as high as in 2000 - just before the crash.
Consumer confidence is not quite as high as 2000 levels but - pretty good - as they were just before the crash

as Greenspan put it back in the late 90's "There is an irrational exuberance Heightened levels of confidence tends to proceed ugliness - not that it always does though. When accompanied by decaying fundamentals - higher probability but timing is tough.

As I said - on the fence - anything could happen. We will see if the showman can pull another rabbit out of a hat

 

Of course it's good, I have no intention on kissing babies. Ugly little vermin.

 

I went down to UPS to ship a package "16th" to my Momz and UPS ground is no longer guaranteeing delivery by Christmas already! They have a memo all over the place claiming "Due to unexpected volumes this year" SOooo.. I ship every year around this time and I haven't see it this busy either! Packages were stacked all over the place and this town is small!

 

Greenspan was also the one that was completely wrong on housing that crashed.

 

Check out the next post along "Irrational Exuberance"

 

Interesting parallels but there is no evidence of a crash in the housing market, stock market, or any market. Asset prices may be expensive, but are no where near the valuations they were to warrant any asset mis-pricing. We also don't have a mania, which is a requirement for a crash (too much cash chasing too few assets).

 

I doubt it - at least not privately.

Long story sort - all the fed heads were wandering around after the 2008 housing and subsequent financial collapse feigning ignorance "We didn't know" - but they all knew. It was an "Inside Job" - (Title of one of a number of good documentaries on the subject)

Everyone knew - and so did AG.

In any case - he did nail the mania in the late 1990's for what it was.

 

LOL, he apologized for it in front of Congress.

 

We are at mania levels in the housing market - and high consumer confidence levels (would not call it mania but .. borderline given the underlying fundamentals.

Regardless - I did not mention these sentiment levels to claim there was going to be a crash in some particular sector such as the housing market. We are prognosticating on whether or not 2020 is going to be a good year economically ... and I said I was on the fence. There are some good things .. and some bad.

One thing I am not going to do is jump up and down and claim victory because consumer confidence is high.