The Electoral College Is the Greatest Threat to Our Democracy

@Moi621 ...

i'm correcting myself for the record:

this is what it used to say: in every worldbook edition back as far as 2001:


then sometime in 2016 and prior to november 14th (last update) it reads:

from:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

 

Americans no longer allow weighted representation by the states.

We the People must make the Presidential decision, not the EC.

 

wrong!!! the entire country would collapse and be in utter turmoil, a few major cities should never rule the entire realm... that'd be draconian ... but that is exactly what those socialist want, a bunch of servants for their big cities and pocket books...

socialists have zero clue about life except how they can benefit by diminishing other's lives...

 

Again, virtually no country elects by national plebiscite, you wouldn't have a 'United States' under that system.

 

Of course we would. When 14 to 18 million more vote against the winner than for him as in the case of Trump, the country ends up in distress as it is now.

If we have a popular but not majority winner, have a run off in two weeks' time for the two top vote getters.

 

The treaty has a method by which it can be amended. Good luck with your efforts.

 

Instead of amending the Constitution, enough legislatures can amend their own laws to make sure that the winner of the state has the majority of the votes for that state. They may have to include run offs, and that is fine in order reach a more perfect union. The Constitution is not a treaty, it is a charter in which thirteen colonies gave up their sovereignty to perfect a union of which the federal law was supreme.

 

What else would you call an agreement between sovereign states?

 

Nah.

Your stuff is nothing but sore loser tyrannical claptrap.

The Founding Fathers were brilliant. They even predicted people who think like you.

 

They surrendered their sovereignty, Longshot.

 

Nope, they were worried about right wing tories like Trump's troops today more than the lefties.

The truth is that the right wing today is as dangerous to our country as were the loyalists and tories in the War for Independence.

 

Left wing bullshit and sore loser talk. If the tables were flipped and it was the Democrats winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote, you'd be all in favor of the electoral college. It's all about winning for the Democrats and never about an even playing field. Never do you hear a Democrat say, "May the best candidate win." The Electoral College is an anachronism, but it does precisely what it was meant to do: keep the country from being ruled by the largest states. A presidential candidate would only need to win California, Florida, Texas, and New York to win the popular vote. And that's why there's an electoral college. A candidate has to appeal to more than just a handful of states, or just a handful of cities, in order to win. No reason not to have a popular vote? The last election showed exactly why there's a good reason not to have a popular vote: Hillary Clinton lost in more counties than any past candidate in history. Her appeal was solely to urban voters. She lost in the suburbs, in the exurbs, and in the rural areas. Very few people outside the city centers wanted her. She lost and she deserved to lose. She was married to a winner who advised her to play it differently, but she ignored him and lost. She is a horrible person, was a horrible candidate, and would have been a horrible president. Thank GOD for the electoral college. I could wish for the Democrats to nominate a better candidate, but since I find the crying and whining from the left so amusing, I hope they nominate someone even worse in 2020 so they can watch Trump win again.

 

It's all about winning for the Republicans who cannot afford an even playing field.

 

Really? Where is that written?

 

Remember the 10th
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

What happened? Health. Education. Energy. Housing. are examples of powers reserved for the States. Nothing in the Constitution delegates such powers to the "United States". Certainly not to establish "core curriculum" for public schools.

So What Happened
And what about the Federal / United States occupation of so much of Rocky Mountain and Pacific States?

Seems like YOUR Federals are over reaching their Constitutional authority

States surrendering their sovereignty has been the result of slow,
frog in a pan of water brought to boiling
take over!

What that has to do with the EC as a threat to democracy
I do not know

 

In a national election, the "rural communities" have the say they deserve BUT ONLY IF THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE IS DETERMINED BY A PROCESS OF POPULAR-VOTE COUNTING. No Electoral College is necessary to "translate" the state-votes and thus attempt to manipulate outcomes.

In other developed countries, only the popular-vote determines who is elected to represent the electorate in a legislature, and it is the legislature with the dominant party that selects the leader of government. From the internet:

What Great Company Uncle Sam is keeping !!!!

Land mass has absolutely NOTHING to do with the democratic election of our political leadership. Were that the case, Alaska would have a majority representation in the HofR ... !

 

Balderdash and rubbish.

More one-liner nonsense in a Debate Forum. You'd likely be happier on a Message Board ... !

 

Lets make a deal. We'll get rid of the EC when NY and LA secede from the union.

 

Yes, Madam, but that is PRECISELY why the US system of voting is in such dire straits.

The Constitution had got it wrong from the get-go more than two-centuries ago - and that is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER that the mismanagement of our voting system should continue indefinitely into the future. (One Donald Dork is quite enough! Five presidential winners who LOST the popular-vote is more than sufficient - it is also a disgrace!)

Health, Education, Energy and Housing have fallen in competence throughout the land as regards the basic necessities of the American public. And that is because our political-process has been ruptured by gerrymandering and the Electoral College to the point of fundamental unfairness.

Anyone who cannot understand the fundamental injustice of an Electoral College overturning the popular-vote should have their head examined for "lack of logical thinking" ... !

 

Absurd!

 

No deal!

Duhhhhhhhh ...

 

Yes, indeed, You Are!

Maybe you'd be happier on a Message Board ... ?

 

Absurd commentary. My arguments have been consistent and because you've never had a course in Civics it's no wonder that you make simpleton remarks as shown above.

My remarks are based upon the Factual Evidence that the Electoral College has five times in history not-elected the winner of the presidential popular-vote!

Meaning it is a useless and dangerous artifice that would be better done away with. But, it is indeed an instrument devised by means of a constitutional amendment.

So, it cannot be done away with easily. The consequence therefore is to un-tooth it - which is easy enough done if our national Legislature (aka Congress) would vote a law that required the Electoral College to report ONLY THE RESULT OF THE POPULAR-VOTE TO CONGRESS. Which would tally the votes and decide who is PotUS.

As for gerrymandering, we are all waiting for the Supremes to understand and decide that ONLY THE POPULAR-VOTE WITHOUT ANY JURISDICTIONAL MANIPULATION IS ACCEPTABLE IN ELECTING AN OFFICIAL TO GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE.

Get it, or must I repeat that rule once again ... ?

 

You make an interesting comment.

When a Yank looks back at what is happening in the US from Europe, your sentiment above is exactly what we see.

You'd be surprised how many Yanks have given up their US citizenship to assume the local country nationality. Especially since Obama forced double-taxation upon Americans living abroad. So, nowadays, if you earn more than $100K a year, you are obliged to pay both local national taxes in Europe AND American Income Taxation as well ... !

Yes, thank you, Barrak (a Democrat) - what a great good-deal taxation is for Yanks wanting to make a living in Europe !

 

Do you really think it was the lack of majority victory which is the issue? Although your second idea is interesting don't you think people just want to get the election over and done with?