The "featureless" AR-15

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Wolverine, May 26, 2015.

  1. Regular Joe

    Regular Joe Well-Known Member

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    The hand guard isn't "changed" all that much. That's just their version. The link sez that it accepts other drop-in hand guards, so I guess it's the standard carbine length delta ring set-up. As it is, it looks like it's compatible with the Magpul poly picatinny rails, with those slots on the side. I assume it has slots on the botton as well. I was puzzled by the location of the safety, but there it is, behind the trigger guard. I wonder how they arranged the recoil tube?
    It's also interesting that it uses a clamp on gas block. I wonder if the rail height on the receiver is such that it can be changed to flip up sights? If the quality is good, this could be a nice rifle, no matter where you live.

     
  2. Anders Hoveland

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    And how many people will actually do that? In a country of over 300 million. Spree killings account for just a tiny fraction of actual murders. Even triple homicides are rather rare. And we all know that if a murderer wanted to kill 3 innocent unsuspecting people, they would hardly need an "assault" rifle to do it—in fact they probably wouldn't even need a gun at all.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now, considering how interchangable all the parts are for the AR-15, couldn't someone create something like this by simply adding a barrel without the "bad" features, a hand guard, and a shotgun-style stock, to the standard AR-15 upper & lower?

    forgive my mediocre knowledge of the AR-15.
     
  4. Hoosier8

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    During the ill fated and ridiculous 'assault weapons ban' under Clinton, they did just that. Modified the same rifle to negate the 'banned' features and still sold AR-15s. I call the AWB under Clinton political masturbation.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    now, is there any real different between the AR-15 handguard, and a heat shield?
     
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    the best was watching Diane Feinswine having a meltdown over the fact that makers modified their weapons so the weapons could be sold. She whined that they didn't obey the "spirit of the law"

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    well technically some hand guards have a heat shield under them. very few long arms don't have a "hand guard" so you don't have to hold the steel barrel
     
  7. Ronstar

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    what exactly does a "heat shield" consist of?
     
  8. Ronstar

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    I wonder if the weapon in the OP would have been deemed acceptable by the NYPD, if it had the typical AR-15 handguard.

    Im finding it very difficult to see the difference between a handguard and a barrel shroud.
     
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    usually heat resistant material
     
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    well that is probably because you really don't understand the two terms

    and because a barrel shroud is a term that really has no real meaning-it can mean to some a hand guard or a hand piece and in some cases its a ventilation device or a heat sink

    at one time it was a ventilated surrounding of the barrel that would allow the barrel to dissipate heat faster as well as prevent the operator or often more importantly, nearby soldiers from being burned by the hot barrel of a fully automatic machine gun.
     
  11. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    That is not a heat shield.

    If it were illegal in NYC, why would they approve it?

    Have we not already had this heat shield conversation multiple times?

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    How many shootings have there been where 60 people are slain in 60 seconds?

    The deadliest shooting in history, VT was committed with a handgun, how do you explain that?

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    California and New York have AWB bans, so no, you are wrong.
     
  12. Regular Joe

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    As our esteemed colleague Xemnanes (or whatever his name is) has pointed out, the "heat shield" on an AR-15 serves to keep the shooter from being burned by the hot barrel, and also serves to protect the gas tube from harm. If you remove the heat shield from an AR, you'll see that the gas tube is quite fragile. It's just a very thin steel tube that runs from the gas block to the gas key in the receiver. It's one of the advantages over the AK design, which is much more durable, but far heavier.

     
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    If you were really so concerned about "gun deaths" you should go to Baltimore and Chicago, which have seen record increases in homocides among your fellow urban democrats.

    Perhaps a "good guy" such as yourself could picket the sites of these urban ganglands and demand "change." Just having the most restrictive gun control laws in Chicago and Maryland has shown to be worthless. It's going to take "good guys" such as yourself to get right into the faces of your fellow hoodlum democrats and press charges against them.

    That would be doing the most good.
     
  14. Ronstar

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    so, what happens to the AR-15, without its heatshield?

    will it malfunction?
     
  15. Regular Joe

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    Not at all, but without some manner of front end support, it becomes more difficult to handle and aim, once the barrel heats up. If you fire slowly enough to keep the barrel from getting very hot, you could run without it.
    Protection of the gas tube is important though, because it is fragile. Just grasping the unprotected barrel could easily move the gas tube out of alignment with the gas key in the bolt, and prevent the bolt from going into battery.
    Here's a barrel without the hand guards:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/197932/jp-enterprises-barrel-and-bolt-ar-15-223-wylde-lightweight-contour-1-in-8-twist-16-stainless-steel-black-teflon-coating-with-adjustable-gas-block-gas-tube-jp-small-compensator
    You can see that the gas tube is pretty fragile.

     
  16. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so, with the traditional AR-15 handguard but without any insulating material, the gun would function properly and without damage?

    obviously, the point of not allowing a heat shield is to prevent someone from rapid fire into a crowd, with .223 ammo.
     
  17. Regular Joe

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    I thought you were asking because you're considering getting one of these, and wonder if removing the heat shield would make it NYC legal.
    The heat shield doesn't make it easier to carry out a mass murder. The gun is still very controllable if you grasp the magazine well with your off hand. On that note though, how many mass murders have there been where someone used an AR to fire wildly into a crowd?

     
  18. Xenamnes

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    What part of the handguard serving to protect the direct impingement gas tube from damage is not being understood in this discussion? Perhaps it you can explain that, the rest of us can adjust the explanation so that it will make sense.

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    The discussion pertaining to heat shields is useless. Someone operating a rifle such as the AR-15 can just as easily grasp the magazine well, or the magazine itself, to serve as a forward grip, both for greater control, and protecting their hand from being burnt.

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    See above. Someone can easily grip the magazine well, or the magazine itself, and use it as a forward grip for both control, and shielding their hand from being burnt by a hot barrel. Any discussion pertaining to a heat shield is meaningless, and distractionary.
     
  19. Ronstar

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    ok, so a firearm can simply have a large handgrip which leaves lots of air space around the barrel, and that it enough to protect the user and protect the firearm. no insulating material required, which means it will pass all AWBs in the USA
     
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    There is so much you don't know. :(
     
  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    is that a problem for you? should I apologize for learning?
     
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    You should be commended for what exactly? You didn't learn anything.
     
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    Yeah why would I want that when I could buy an M-14?
     
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    No, not close. The heat shield within the plastic hand guard of the plain Jane AR hand guard is above the gas tube and offers the gas tube zero protection from heat..

    The gas tube is very close to the barrel with nothing inbetween them. The gas tube gets hot from the gas, not from the barrel.

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    An AR will function just fine without a heat shield. The heat shield does not protect the gas tube.
     
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    No. A wood stock is not considered a heat shield and no one is making a fuss about that. Only a tube around the barrel? lol

    You could remove the hand guards could be removed and the firearm would function just fine. Someone could do the same (*)(*)(*)(*) with glove on. Someone could do the same (*)(*)(*)(*) by grasping the magazine well. Your fixation on "heat shields" is pointless.
     

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