The "featureless" AR-15

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  1. Xenamnes

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    It is pointless to the degree of nearly being fetishistic.
     
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    I think I heard about this AR a while back. Isn't it made with some weird rifle grip stock that's ugly as sin? People are crafty. When stricter regulations are put in place people will either secretly circumvent them illegally or figure out and exploit loopholes. When the Federal Assault Weapons Ban banned most AR-15s in 1994 Hi-Point came out with the 995 carbine that was still a semi auto rifle but only had one feature (the pistol grip). The National Firearms Act bans SBRs (rifles with less than 16" barrel length and/or 28" overall length). You can build an AR-15 from the ground up as a designated pistol. It still fires the 5.56 rifle cartridge but legally it's a pistol so you can have a 10" barrel on it. A pistol can't have a shoulder stock on it or else it is an SBR so the Sig Arm Brace was developed. It straps around the forearm to stabilize the gun. You can use it improperly as a shoulder stock and it does that job well but it's intended purpose is not a stock so legally it's not one.
     
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    You misunderstood what I said, though I can't imagine how you did it. Maybe you're playing semantics here. By "heat shield" we are using the term interchangeably with "hand guard". I know you know that any hand guard on any AR covers the gas tube. I never implied that the heat shield does anything to "protect" the gas tube from heat, nor could it.
    Just as a side note, I've read that in testing at the Colt factory, they found that a carbine length gas tube melts/fails at about the 800 round point in continuous full auto fire

     
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    Here's the Ares page about it:
    http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=729
    If you're familiar with arfcom, go to the AR 15 section and find the thread titled "SCR Pics". There's quite a buzz about it over there.
    This thing is uhhh... interesting. It accepts any mil spec AR upper and bolt, but has a proprietary BCG. There's an angled extension at the back of that BCG that conforms to the Monte Carlo stock, and I assume there's some kind of spring in the stock that works like the AR buffer tube.
    As you see on the Ares page, it comes with Magpul hand guards, so I guess that makes it illegal in NYC, but legal in the rest of the State.
    At arfcom, they say it compares to the M1 carbine in design. They say it's well made. Twist rate is 1 in 9". The mag well is designed for 5 round mags, but it accepts all AR mags, though the longer ones tend to wobble a bit. I think it would be an excellent carbine to have if you travel through ban states, or just want something different than the status quo AR or the mini 14.

     
  5. Wolverine

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    That is an under statement.
     
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    Yeah, I misunderstood that. lol I think I misread a few things in the thread.

    Your 800rd count is about right. Better the gas tube blows than the barrel, I heard the gas tube is a "fuse" of sorts.
     
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    the fixation is based on the bs that the graboids use to justify their "AWB" idiocy

    from the claim that a pistol grip makes it easier to shoot a gun from the hip (it isn't-and this is coming from a guy who used to be able to shoot a 25 straight in NSSA skeet at the international ready position without raising the stock at all (gun butt touching the crest of my hip) to the claim that "barrel shrouds" allow mass murderers to shoot faster. He thinks that having a hand guard on a rifle is only there for nefarious purposes

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    NY legal made by one of the best makers-Windham Weaponry (the place that made the ORIGINAL and BEST Bushmaster rifle)

    R16M4FTT-CF1-NYTHD-R.jpg
     
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    "Spraying bullets". Right. If I ever get into a real gunfight, I hope it's against some funny guy who is "spraying bullets". I'll heed the advice of Wyatt Earp, who advised that "You gotta' take your time, quickly". This means that the guy who retains enough of his calm to aim and squeeze will prevail. He also said something like "A fast gun is scary, but accuracy is deadly". After all is said and done though, it's a very bad thing to know about.

     
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    speed is nice but accuracy is fatal is what we normally see attributed to Wyatt Earp

    watch your front sight and you will be OK
     
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    New York City gun enthusiasts, ouch, that's gotta hurt.

    Round here we have laws that any gun which cosmetically resembles a prohibited weapon must be itself prohibited. Moreover, it explicitly says that it doesn't actually have to be the same in any real way, it just has to look similar. Gun grabbers are the same everywhere.
     
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    I see it all the time at competitions, the fastest shooters are typically making hits in the C and D zone. I do my best to shoot quickly but land A's.

    But yeah, so guy just dumping bullets isn't going to be as accurate, and therefore not as dangerous as someone who takes that extra half second to aim.
     
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    I chock it up to aggressive stupidity on the subject. He has been corrected on multiple occasions, yet he chooses to remain ignorant.

    I'll take the handguards off of my AR or AK and demonstrate how it can be shot quickly without ever touching the barrel.
     
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    It is good that NY is showing some common sense, too bad they still ban guns on look instead of functionality, meaning they still have a long way to go in the common sense arena concerning guns. The was good reasoning that so many LEO's nation wide supported lifting the AR ban, maybe one of these days states that keep going after the "scary" guns will realize the folly of their ways.
     
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    the heatshield is not a functionless, cosmetic feature.

    neither is the collapsable stock, or threaded barrel, or flash suppressor.
     
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    But to hoplophobic's they are scary looking, especially if they are black in color. A threaded barrel means a suppressor or "silencer" can be attached and the hoplophobic's believe that this means one thing-- its used only for killing people in stealth. All ignorant and misinformed beliefs.
     
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    They're assault heat shields!!!!! :roflol:
     
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    For all intents and purposes, they indeed are. Take all of them away, the firearm still functions exactly as one with the features. Semi-automatic is semi-automatic. Nothing changes that fact. None of the above features change the manner in which the firearm operates or fires.
     
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    if a heatshield, flash suppressor, foldable stock, threaded barrel had no functional purpose, they wouldn't exist.
     
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    They're still "arms" the right to keep and bear of which "shall not be infringed". It can matter if its got an assault heat shield, etc once the 2nd amendment is repealed and not before.
     
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    the Supreme Court has yet to rule on assault weapon bans.

    until then, your interpretation of the 2nd is as good as mine
     
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    none of them make the weapon less suitable for use by civilians. those who say otherwise are generally dishonest or clueless.

    the beauty of the telescoping stock on the AR-15 is that it is quickly adjustable for various sized users. I put one on my son's 10-22 when he was 8 so he could hold it properly. when using body armor-the stock can be shortened for better fit. concealment is idiotic but constantly cited by morons since a pistol is far easier to conceal. Threaded barrel is designed to change flash hiders, compensators or even suppressors which can legally be owned in many states-with a tax stamp

    a flash suppressor has zero relevance to crime control but the moronic graboids pretend otherwise

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    smart people read USSC cases and apply the ruling to other issues

    Under Heller, weapons in common usage and that are not unusually dangerous are protected

    no one with an IQ above earthworm can claim stuff like the AR-15 is NOT in common usage or is UNUSUALLY Dangerous

    so your interpretation is incorrect.
     
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    lay off the attacks.

    they aren't neccessary.
     
  24. Reality

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    Beat me to it.


    Which is still to say nothing of the fact that the 2nd amendment is in plain english and quite clear. Go ahead and point to where in the 2nd amendment infringement of the right to keep and bear arms is allowed if they've got a scary adjustable stock
     
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    lol!!!!! nice strawman
     

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