The Future EU Army

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  1. vman12

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    https://www.dw.com/en/germans-unhappy-with-merkel-government-amid-migration-spat/a-44547346

    In the latest "Deutschlandtrend" survey almost 80 percent of respondents said they were somewhat, or completely, dissatisfied with the ruling coalition. That's a jump of 15 percentage points since June. Only 21 percent said they were happy with the country's leadership.
     
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    Probably the smartest thing they can do. Who wants to die so others can fill their pockets.
     
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    Nevertheless her personal approval rating is at 44% but I'm not here to defend Merkel.

    If the EU wants to be a serious player on world level it's necessary to have a capable military. Today there is no serious threat to Europe but it will take some time to form a more or less integrated EU army and no one knows when an army will be needed. The Bundeswehr will need at least 5 years to be in an acceptable state.
     
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    From your own link:
    The conflict saw Merkel's popularity drop slightly over the past month, from 50 to 48 percent.

    That's not 20.
    There's a difference between approval rates of a political party, a coalition government, or an individual politician.
     
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    Sure. She's as popular as Obama was. That's why she's stepping down and their political parties are being wiped out.

    Probably a CNN poll for that 50%.
     
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    This is German domestic policies. Obama and CNN have nothing to do with it.
     
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    The next step will be to require all the member countries to speak the same language.
     
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    Well then before Dumbledore makes his legendary entry to put -I suppose you'd refer a "her"- in place, I'd like to say that the odds are a probability for North American single currency to become a reality in the near future is far greater than African Union's introduction of a single currency at the same period of time. There are multiple reasons for that but the most significant one is the "integration". Without a sociocultural integration expectation of a single currency running the whole continent can't go beyond a fantasy. Africa is politically and economically an "unstable" continent, full of dictatorships. It's multinational but nothing like the EU because there are brutal sect clashes going on there. Religion is still a big issue and a matter of separation and division, unlike what it is in the EU; one of the uniting factors...

    Now this part is important; :
    That's why the African Union is different in time wise from Qaddafi's proposals. Qaddafi wanted it happen fast because he knew into what the African Union would have been to evolve in the coming up decades, so he must have felt obligated to take the lead to start the change, particularly for the reason to find "backers" from African countries against the West, who Qaddafi also acknowledged that had already decided to remove him for good regardless... So it was just an accelerated version of the African Union which targeted 2030s instead of 2017, like Qaddafi's United States of Africa did so. Therefore it should be seen as an exit strategy of Qaddafi...
     
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    A world where most of the European nations agree on very nasty policies toward the nation of Israel would be a world where they would be able to sell the idea of limited conflict with America.

    Remember the G-8 meetings in 2011?

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/

    On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit

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    I am all for this, bring our boys home, Europe can take care of its own affairs now.
     
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    Yes, of course.

    My point, however, was that the accusations against the EU are, in most cases, just a smoke screen designed to turn the public opinion against the idea of union itself.
     
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    Macron is an enemy of Germany who wants only steal our rescoruces, money and technology. When Macron speaks about profit of europe he means france.

    Thats a simple fact and the thoughts the common german people have.

    I dont think we need an EU rmy. We need a much bigger German army
     
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    Germany a country with almost endless monetary power and one of the leading technological powers in the world could unleash a military power unknown on the planet, if we want to.

    I hope you are aware of that. Your president seems to be.

    Trump actively wants to push Germany to become a military power. We are reluctant to do so.

    So far we are a economic super power. Our foreign diplomats fear the shift we would create if we underline that with military might.

    It would take Germany 5-8 years to realize that and during that time we would be vulnerable.

    Our military budget is only 1.2% of our GDP. If we rise it to 2%, we would have almost bigger army than France and UK combined. If we raise it to 4% its bigger than France, UK and Russia combined. Our giagantic budget surplus means we could rise it to 4% without even noticing it.

    Its one of trumps biggest foreign politics goals to bring us to do that.
     
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    You're very optimistic. I doubt that Macron is really interested by what's good for France. He seeks what's good for his friends and allies, like Sarkozy worked more for the good of Qatar than France.
    But 1) Germany don't have specific natural ressources. 2) France is contributing much more to EU budget, so we don't wish to "steal" your money, it's our money which benefit Germany. 3) Even if Germany has a good high tech sector, there is nothing exceptionnal in there.
     
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    Thats nonsense.

    Germany has much more skilled workers, engineers and a better educational system. France tries to parasite on this.

    France wants our technology and proposes pathetic joint ventures to steal our tech. Germany has zero benefit from this.

    A good example are trains. Germany has the ICE from Siemens. France has the pathetic TGV. The ICE are several generations ahead of the TGV. Yet France wants a "cooperation". France is no different to China regarding that. Most of french tech is outdated, cheap and not on our level.

    And Germany also is the one paying most for EU.

    Thats a simple fact.

    Anotehr thing is that France has gigantic debt. France has not. Macron wants a "european finance minister". So he can leech off German tax payer money.

    We want a clear cut with France. A good neighborship but nothing more. No joint projects, no financial politics.
     
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    Nobody want of german technology, by the way, there is a lot of people which like to buy german cars, but nobody want to "steal german technology". You're just living in a fantasy world. Most french don't even think or care of germany. What's the objectives of our politician, I don't know and I guess it's nothing positive for us french people.
    You're giving to your country an importance in the mind of foreigners that it doesn't have. Very few people care of germany.

    Yes, and the one which benefit the most of EU too. Not in pure money term, but the EU is fitted for germany, not the rest of the countries. The debt of France is big, but not gigantic, nothing compared to Italy, Spain or Greece and everybody know that we have the ability to pay back, that's why we get small interest loans, excepted if there is a major disaster like a war, we will pay back. We knew worse.

    I don't know the agenda of Macron, we have to wonder what their former boss, the Rotshield bank had for agenda, and we will know.

    I know a lot of french engineers, they have no difficulties to find a job either in France or in foreign countries. They work for a lot of different companies, some even design and sell piece of engines for german companies, apparently the german companies are quite happy of their work.
    Some even move out because of all the "cultural enrichment".

    I don't want common financial policy with germany. I already don't trust french politician, so trusting german politician...
     
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    I see France as an enemy in large parts. Not a powerful enemy but like a snake. I have some healthy mistrust against them.
     
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    You should clarify who "we" is? Your Nazi scum friends who drink a beer after chasing some humans through the streets while dreaming and talking about your fantasy bullshit?

    Vive l'Europe! Vive la France!
     
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    Spare me your nazi rubbish, you are a facist and nothing else. You want destroy european nations, cultures and replace it with a disgusting beurocratoc system.

    To hell with France.

    Who we is? The strongest party in eastern germany and biggest oppossition party in bubdestag.
     
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    You talk like a Nazi and therefore you're called a Nazi. Do I have to quote all the racist bullshit you've posted in this forum?


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    Last time I've looked at the AFD position regarding the EU I didn't read anything about leaving the EU.
     
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    Who is this in your picture? Kohl is dead and Mitterand died miserable on cancer.

    I dont want leave EU. I want reform it.
     
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    Yes. The problem is french don't care of germany neither in a positive way and even less in a negative way. There is few germanophile but vast majority don't care. Oh, and some very old people who doesn't like Germany for pretty obvious reasons.

    You're just living in a fantasy world, french people don't care of german. I don't know what's the big project of our dear disastrous elite however.
     
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    And some old German people dont Like france for obvious reasons.
     
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    How about a collective middle finger waving in Trump's face? That's how I read it.
     
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    Dissolving Nato and forming a German army might save Europe in the end - otherwise I see a catastrophic war and total destruction.
     

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