The group of people that I simply cant understand

What a moronic post. Got anything of value? Or a point? NO.

 

You said it.

 

So you didn’t just say this?

 

I'd guess that 99% of women who seek abortion have a very good reason.

 

The "choice" is before having sex that will produce a baby.

 

NO, in the abortion issue the "choice" is whether to gestate or not.....please learn, abortion has been around forever and you should know what Pro-Choice means if you want to discuss it.

Women should have the same rights every other person has, the right to their own body.

 

So hiding behind the law. Laws are what we decide they should be. If you are not for abortion why not? Do you not have morals and ethics?

 

Pardon_Me said: ↑
Well I'll not argue the point, but I know women who almost certainly would have been murdered by abusive men if not for abortions, that prevented these monsters from having a legal hold on them. And please don't give me the spiel about there being " other avenues" to go for help, thats by and large BS. I hope we never ever lose the right to choose to have an abortion. Judge not...

Many abused women are killed when the abuser finds out they're pregnant.

 

Try and explain why you don't think this way.

 

Laughable we need legal abortion so abusive men can force their girlfriends to get abortions? I thought it was all about the woman's choice?

 

No one should be able to kill another save in self defense. Or through due process.

 

Kill the innocent and protect criminal killers????????????

 

Raping little girls


Wasn't that what Trumps old friend Jeffrey Epstein specialised in? Raping little girls?



Trumps mate heard the case and was then rewarded by Trump with a high paying job

 

I would call them intersubjective seeing as how we are both going to agree to them, or we don't.

e.g. Can we agree not to steal from each other?

You see, you can tell me to piss off with the bit about not agreeing to steal from me, but I'm just going to mirror that, so don't be surprised if you go out to your driveway one morning to drive to work and there's nothing but some skidmarks where your car used to be.

This idea of mutually preferable behavior (i.e. intersubjective morality) is not simply subjective because it relies on us both agreeing to certain terms, which is the bedrock of civilization. We as a society either agree to certain things, or it's just the law of the jungle.

You can call it subjective if you want, but I think you'd be willing to agree that it would be better if we can agree to certain things from the get-go.

This is what the law is supposed to represent, but government is flawed in that it is not premised upon a mutually agreed upon moral value. Government relies on the power of the state to enforce the will of the state, which is just another way of the strongest gorilla in the jungle telling every other gorilla how things are going to be, and if you don't like it, well... too bad.

In simple terms, it's the golden rule, but intersubjectively defined. It does away with some of the imperfections inherent with the golden rule.

 

Pardon_Me said: ↑
Well I'll not argue the point, but I know women who almost certainly would have been murdered by abusive men if not for abortions, that prevented these monsters from having a legal hold on them. And please don't give me the spiel about there being " other avenues" to go for help, thats by and large BS. I hope we never ever lose the right to choose to have an abortion. Judge not...

Please explain or show where the post you quoted said """we need legal abortion so abusive men can force their girlfriends to get abortions?"""

HINT: It didn't.


He meant that since pregnant women are likely to be killed by an abusive partner they should have the option of abortion.

 

Who do you think is making that decision in an abusive relation and is a decision made in fear really a freely made decision? I have a better idea lets lock the abusive swine up until he's to damn old to abuse anyone.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Pardon_Me said: ↑
Well I'll not argue the point, but I know women who almost certainly would have been murdered by abusive men if not for abortions, that prevented these monsters from having a legal hold on them. And please don't give me the spiel about there being " other avenues" to go for help, thats by and large BS. I hope we never ever lose the right to choose to have an abortion. Judge not..."""""""""""""""""







FoxHastings: Please explain or show where the post you quoted said """we need legal abortion so abusive men can force their girlfriends to get abortions?"""

HINT: It didn't.


He meant that since pregnant women are likely to be killed by an abusive partner they should have the option of abortion.

Only the couple knows ( NOT YOU) but that has nothing to do with a woman's right to CHOOSE abortion.

So you are Pro-Choice and believe in freely made decisions?

That's hardly a solution when one has to commit abuse BEFORE being locked up...


Again, your claim was wrong, that poster NEVER said, """we need legal abortion so abusive men can force their girlfriends to get abortions?"""

So we agree that FORCING women to get abortions or gestate is wrong? They should have the freedom to decide , right?

 

I did. And you confirm. You have nothing of value to say.

 

They are, as long as the constitution isn't violated.
Most every human has morals and ethics. I am sure you do as well.

 

Good. I agree. No one should kill another. My guess is most all would agree.
Thanks, but that was rather pointless.

 

Can't do that until the crime has been committed. A dead woman isn't helping her or the fetus at that point.

 

You steal from me, you infringed on my rights. You don't infringe on mine, I don't infringe on yours. The agreement to not steal from each other is built into that. Property is one's rights.
I said, live your life how you want, as long as no other rights are infringed upon. At those points where it might happen, law is what settles the disputes.
The only mutual agreement needed, and the law agrees, is don't infringe upon another's rights.

The golden rule is a very good way to live one's life.
But that won't work for all, as some don't care how they are treated.

 

The same people who whine about abortion have no problem at all with
airstrikes on civilian populations, killing truckloads of kids with identities and names,
who are family members. What are we to do with such people?
The Republicans, I mean. They hate school lunch programs, grocery stamps,
Planned Parenthood, medical insurance for the poor, public schools...

 

And the Constitution can be amended. The argument that "well it's just the law and nothing can be done about it so I din't have to discuss it" is specious at best.

So why do you not support abortion itself?