The Hidden Tribes of America and the Need for Compromise

Ah geez...now you're making me think!

On single payer healthcare, I want to see single payer covering all citizens. That, however, isn't likely to happen all at once. So I would be willing to compromise, in the short run, away from that agenda if there could be meaningful government regulation of drug companies and insurance companies - ensuring that rates and drug costs were LOW.

On the wall, I've been clear that I don't believe it to be an effective strategy and suspect it is nothing more than an ego/vanity item for Trump. But I would be willing to concede on funding it if more personnel were provided at ports of entry and more judges were assigned to adjudicate the applications for asylum more quickly. And because it is such a big concession, I would also like to see the end of the family separation law and a new one implemented that immediately fined and prosecuted employers of illegal immigrants.

 

Schumer leared at the camera and said NO FUNDING FOR THE WALL - EVER

Why?

Because they want to totally defeat trump and put trump voters in their place

 

I believe that to be very true. And, aided by many sources that show the ineffective nature of a wall - and the lack of desire for the kind of wall Trump wants by border patrol - I'd say it's not a bad position to hold.

 

Of course dems will deny that they acting out of partisan political vindictiveness but its obvious they are lying

This has become personal with liberals

 

More so considering at one time they wanted a wall.

 

All of these issues are pretty common sense in my opinion. If we were all looking at these issues for the first time with no presumptions and bias other than actual values we could compromise pretty easily. Immigration: screen applicants, let in the good reject the bad, we can mostly agree on which is which. Race: we should all be able to agree it doesn't matter. Gender: Another immutable characteristic of a person that isn't incredibly important. Terrorism: Terrorists are the bad guys, stop them in a way that is morally acceptable and effective.

 

Yes

 

I've already agreed with you...

 

My fear is than trump will waver

but the dems never will until they fail to override a veto

After that they might give trump something

But that late in the game republican senators will be leaping out of tall buildings

 

Thank you for those suggestions. I agree that those kinds of compromises are the kind of things that we need to work towards. Giving money for a wall/improved immigration procedures in return for Single Payer would be well worth the price IMO.

 

It is fascinating, but not really 'surprising' to see that the largest segment is that of people who are "Politically Disengaged", among an "Exhausted Majority".

Many of us are, indeed, becoming "politically disengaged", or have already given up on "party politics", per se. I'm a bedrock economic Conservative who has voted Republican or as Conservative as possible (voting twice for Ross Perot) all my adult life -- and yet, I terminated my membership in the Republican Party over a year ago because I was boiling with anger at being completely ignored by the Republican Party in Colorado. The only thing the Republican Party had offered me since Ronald Reagan's last term ended was being that mythical "lesser-of-two-evils". And I finally got the point where, although I could never vote for someone like Hillary, I couldn't keep on being an active member of a political party of gutless, 'squishy' RINO's.

I suspect that the rise of unvarnished, in-your-face Socialism in the Democrat Party has upset a lot of 'traditional' Democrats -- especially the kind of Democrats who did work with Republicans for many years -- back when 'America WAS great'....

 

You shame me with your 'out of the box' thinking. Combining the wall with single payer is brilliant!

 

That would speak to the lack of effective negotiating skills, wouldn't it?

 

What you see as race baiting, is simply the MSM telling stories that shine light on an issue.
And they put out stories that people react to, for if they react, they get viewer/listener/readership. Which then they use to sell ads and make money.

If they put out boring news, you and others won't watch/listen/read them, and they won't make money.
24/7 so called news outlets, are nothing more than reality tv on steroids. IMO.

 

Ditto for faux tv and talk radio.
Same model for making money as MSM.

 

The Senate had $1.3B almost 100% bipartisan support for wall/border funding. That wasn't good enough.

But if you can show how the wall will fix our illegal immigration problem, I am all eyes and ears.
For I don't think it fixes the problem and is money that is wasted.

 

I believe farm land/business is not included in estate taxes.
And I believe the estate taxes were put in for a reason, so a wealthy family can't just gobble up real estate for generation upon generation. I think.

 

On Immigration - I want secure borders, including physical barriers, surveillance, and adequate personnel on the border to stop illegal immigration. I want robust monitoring of legal immigrants, meaning that visa overstays are detected and the people located and dealt with. I want E-verify nationwide in order to work, and penalties for employers who cheat. I want non-citizens who commit crimes to be deported.

In exchange, I would agree to a finite window of time during which illegal immigrants who are otherwise law-abiding would be able to self-report without fear of automatic deportation. When they self-reported, they would be background checked, given a valid Tax ID Number, and picture identification with a bar code that could be used for E-verify. This would take care of the DACA kids and pretty much end the "round-ups". I acknowledge that many illegal immigrants have been working hard, living peacefully, and are law-abiding. Many are married to U.S. citizens, and many have children who are U.S. citizens. So let them self-report and come out of the shadows - in exchange for robust border security and robust monitoring and accountability of all legal visitors and immigrants.

On Race - We need to stop, and I mean a full stop, finger-pointing, blaming, accusing, and condemning each other. Full stop. The only place where this is appropriate is when a person or group is overtly racist, like the Aryan Nation or KKK. But well-meaning, non-racist white people should be allowed to discuss our race-related problems without all the intimidation and hostility. That intimidation just causes them to withdraw from the conversation, and predictably, nothing changes.

On Gender - Not sure what you're referring to here. Are you talking about gender discrimination in the workplace, where a woman is paid less than a man doing the same job? Or are you talking about the issues surrounding transgender people, like what public facilities they use?

If I am a business executive, why would I pay a man more than a woman to do the same job? It's illegal, and it is counter-intuitive to the goal of creating profit.

On transgenders, there are reasonable compromises that can be made that protect the sensitivities of normal boys and girls, and normal women and men, without causing undue harm to transgender people. The watchwords here are "reasonable" and "compromise". As an example, a public community-owned pool can have a changing/shower area for males and one for females. And it can have a space designated as "gender neutral." In this case, a biological male who is transgender with all the male parts would not be allowed to use the female room; they would use the male room or the gender neutral room. That is fair to everybody.

On Terrorism - I agree to robust intelligence gathering and identification of threats. I agree to law enforcement undertaking investigations of potential domestic terrorists and prosecutions where warranted. I agree to military action overseas when a group is plotting or carrying out terrorism against our country or our friends and allies. But when I say "military action", I am referring to Special Forces strikes or limited engagements. An example of a limited engagement would be the campaign we've waged against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. That mission is all but completed, and now we should withdraw and get out of there. That's what I mean by a "limited engagement." I do not want us to "nation build", and I do not want us to "occupy".

Hope that helps. I welcome your feedback.

I like the term "Exhausted Majority."

Seth

 

"Immigration: We need to find a means to treat immigrants respectfully and humanely while ensuring that they becomeproductive members of society. This applies regardless as to how they arrived here."

How's this for a compromise?

I'm willing to trade the treating of immigrants respectfully and humanely, in exchange for the summary tossing out of illegal aliens.

 

Trump is not a miracle worker

Or as the man said , we can lead a horse to water but we cant make him drink

So if the dems refuse to negociate then there us no negociation

 

Strawman.

Stop mischaracterizing the wall discussion.

The only ones who are arguing a border wall as the solution, are those who oppose border security. No one who is in favor of a border wall has argued that it is the solution.

It is a part of the solution.

 

Nothing anyone says can cure you of the blind rage you have against ANYTHING trump

 

A negotiation requires compromise on both sides. Trump has made it clear that he will not compromise on the wall. Therefore, there is no negotiation. The house and senate came to him with proposals that he declined. Ball is now firmly in his court to come back with something. Instead, he's pleading his case to the public about being alone in the WH over the holidays...no one coming to do business with him. He has made it clear that there is no business unless there is a wall.