The Hidden Tribes of America and the Need for Compromise

Offering a paltry one billion with no money for the wall means the dems are refusing to compromise

 

True enough. Conservatives who constantly go on about mind controlled liberals need to read this, Gingrich is probably the only man more Hitleresque than Trump in American Politics at this time

 

Greatly increased border security, and an intelligent, single-payer healthcare system could, indeed, be an excellent example of the KIND of beneficial compromise I envision.

There would be a lot about the 'border solution' that a lot of Liberals wouldn't like, and, there would be a lot about 'single-payer' that a lot of Conservatives wouldn't like. But, if we just put our mentalities to it, we CAN work these things out for our mutual benefit!

*** Oh, and how about adding THIS to the 'mix' -- having the House of Representatives produce legislation making it completely LEGAL for Americans to purchase pharmaceuticals and all medicines from anywhere in the world that we want?! That would be an excellent way to dramatically cut the total cost of medical care in the U. S. -- immediately! My friends in Europe have told me for years (and have given me examples) that we Americans are constantly being screwed to DEATH on the price of prescription drugs! ***

And, no, I'm not suggesting that just because it would be the cheapest that Americans should rush to order medicine from just any source that does not have a very good reputation... no, not at all. That said, I'll put the quality of German (and even most Mexican) pharmacies right up there to be the equal of anything we have offered to us right here in the U. S., by and large. And all at a mere fraction of what Big Pharma gouges out of us!

 

I agree. All media is nothing but entertainment. If an issue means something and is important, dig into it yourself.

 

That is certainly true of tRUMP who stupidly insists on USA taxpayers financing his wall even though he pledged Mexico would so. This on top of the fact that a wall is not needed to stop illegals as that can easily be done by prosecuting those Republican capitalists who hire illegals.

 

What would you offer as a compromise in the interest of settling this issue?

 

They are offering something. What has Trump offered? Is he budging?

 

see my sentence: "that can easily be done by prosecuting those Republican capitalists who hire illegals"

and, it's the law

 

That's the stupidity of the far right who always defend Trump -- prosecution of those who hire illegals is mandated by law. Trump refuses to do so. Thus, he is the one creating the problem.

How then can anyone be so stupid so as to defend him when he has refused to enforce the law???

 

How is that a compromise?

 

Easy. By forcing that idiot Trump to obey the law, the mess is finished overnight. No need for more funding after that.

 

That's a proposed solution. How would you compromise with those who do not support your proposed solution?
An example of a compromise could be offering your opposition something that you previously opposed in attempt to try to get them to support your proposal instead of opposing it.

 

Umm... aren't you forgetting, somehow, that first Schumer, and now Pelosi, have made ot ckear that they will not compromise on the wall?

I know the Republicans are slow, but this game has been played since Reagan.

 

You raise an interesting point. Once upon a time we did have representatives in Congress who rose above partisan politics in order to unite to do what was best for America and We the People.

We need to stop electing party orientated politicians entirely.

What we should be doing is electing people who will ALWAYS put the interests of We the People first and foremost.

@TomFitz provided me with an insight into how the Progressives have managed to avoid becoming beholden to corporate special interests by rejecting their campaign donations entirely and instead taking only individual donations via AltBlue. Not only did they WIN using this alternative campaign funding mechanism but they also were successful in OUTRAISING those who were relying on corporate donations in the midterms.

Since they are now holding elected office WITHOUT any obligations to corporate donors they do not need to do their bidding. Instead they can focus on the needs of We the People who elected them.

This is a paradigm shift BACK towards that era when politicians could put aside their partisan bickering and do what was right for America.

These same Progressives were also the ones who "did the math" and identified that the "politically disengaged" were the key to their election victories. They realized that instead of appealing only to "likely voters" and trying to sway "moderates" using the same tired old party dogma they could enlarge the pool of voters with a different message that was focused upon the needs that were being IGNORED by the "Rinos/Dinos" who would always do the bidding of their corporate lords and masters to the detriment of We the People.

We now have a WORKING MODEL for regaining the power of Congress back into the hands of We the People. Yes, that means getting the "politically disengaged" back on board and we can do that via identifying the issues that are important to them and using tools like AltBlue to ensure that once in Congress they pass legislation that will be to the benefit of all Americans.

We are moving in the direction of finding COMPROMISE that works for those on the left and the right. In essence the compromises we need to make NOW are similar to the compromises that those politicians of YORE used to make when they rose above partisanship that you mentioned above.

This is not rocket science. We know how to do it and now we just need to work out where we can come up with the compromises that we need to move forward.

 

Yes, you are right that there is misinformation about terminology. Some of it stems from a lack of understanding/education and some from deliberate attempts to disparage the terms. Either way the same problem needs to be overcome.

In that regard I am following the model that @Meta777 uses for her Ranked Voting threads. Open up a thread in order to solicit input from all sides of an issue and once they have been identified, and in many instances clarified, then a Ranked Vote thread is started giving everyone the opportunity to establish their priorities. Both threads work in tandem so that there is an INFORMED CHOICE that can be made since the misinformation and misunderstood terminology is resolved prior to voting.

Your point about the triggering of personal biases is well taken and in order to compromise we must strive to be open minded and willing to accept that that some people have positions that they are just not willing to negotiate over. That unwillingness usually stems from a lack of trust which is based upon the past when the trust was betrayed.

This is a genuine concern and one that needs to be addressed respectfully. One method for dealing with it that I have found to work is to set aside those "hard and fast" positions and work on others instead. By reaching compromises on lesser issues and seeing them working in practice, where both sides were willing to give a little in order to both benefit for the greater good, has a tendency to rebuild trust. Over time this leads to a softening of the distrust on those hard issues.

 

Thank you for putting in so much consideration and effort into succinctly expressing what are very reasonable positions on those issues. I will definitely by using your input for the Ranked Voting in order prioritize the compromises that we could try to reach in order to achieve those positions.

The majority might be exhausted but it is not willing to sit idly by and let the inmates run the asylum any longer.

SCNR

 

While Gingrich-speak had a "shock factor" that was used to "burn down the Establishment" it is NOT a long term strategy for effectively governing the nation.

Worth noting that Ted Cruz, who is an adherent of odious Gingrich-speak, was almost beaten by Beto O'Rourke who SHUNNED the use of this divisive terminology.

 

Thank you for your contribution.

In order to clarify where you stand what is your position on the children of those illegals who were either born here or raised here? The former are US citizens by birth and the latter were educated to be productive citizens. What happens to them?

 

Would you please elaborate on the other parts of the solution?

TYIA

 

Stubbornness is NOT a positive leadership trait since it leads to bad decisions and outcomes. Flexibility and compromise are far more effective leadership traits since things get done. Bill Clinton was one of the finest leaders in this regard since he was working with a partisan Congress but still managed to achieve a great deal of his own agenda items.

 

Excellent suggestion to be added to the growing pile.

Personally I would get behind that idea of yours in a heartbeat. A great many of the Big Pharma drugs sold here in America are actually manufactured in India and China for a tiny fraction of the cost that we are paying for them. For one particular chemo drug that costs $5000 per month ($60k per year) the generic equivalent is $30 dollars for a month's supply which is $360 for a years supply.

That stark difference means that for just the cost of a copay you have the SAME drug WITHOUT being gouged.

I can't see why anyone would object to that kind of compromise for the benefit of We the People.

 

The wall is not being funded

 

They are all well known: border patrol agents, aerial observation platforms, and especially reform of our laws that entice them to come.

Everybody knows, I think, what the real problem is.

The real problem is that the countries, they are leaving, are crapholes. We might be able to fix a part of their problems. We have to figure out how to stop being a huge market for their criminal activites. Anything else, that we might try to do to help those countries, becomes problematic. We and our big heads always believe that we know what's best for other people.

 

Tribalism and Identity Politics are different.

 

I wish we could fire the entire Congress and replace it with reasonable, respectful, intelligent people. We could sit down around a table and agree on a plan to solve illegal immigration. It would take us about an hour or so. I am confident that we could pass a bill in the next hour, and Trump would sign it in the next hour. This problem that has been dogging us for decades and which our politicians are powerless to solve would be solved in 3 hours.

I firmly believe that we are being governed by utter morons. Complete morons, and yes, they are exhausting.

Seth