The Ideal Christian Society Is Communist

Yes you will. My belief is you will be very surprised.

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So you are pro-regulation? That is the only push back against "Pure Greed Capitalism".

 

How has capitalism been any better with its boom and bust cycles?

 

The Euro Zone is failing with their great pension liabilities, unfunded entitlements, and short work weeks....I dont see a good end.

 

And we are failing under the burden of unfunded wars, unfunded prescription benefits, poorly considered tax cuts to rates for both income and capital gains taxes that are some of the lowest in the last 75 years. All of these things have outrageously benefited the wealthy and crippled the worker. Deregulation of the banks led directly to the housing collapse as it allowed a comingling of investments and assets that was toxic and impossible before Gramm/Bliley.
What you call "Greed Capitalism" is what is being promoted, and the greater success in achieving it, the faster our downfall.

 

For a modern example, look at modern Israel kibbutz's

They are basically socialistic but the country is capitalistic. They seem to have an acceptable 'balance,' but "Why?" Could it be their theologically unified Govt? As in putting the OT Biblical beliefs into practice?

I'm not a church & state person as such, but a state based on scriptural truths as their foundation and then tailored for the modern populations. Church & state has been shown to fail in Mexico and in S. America, over time..but do we throw out the baby with the bath water as you seem to want to do? Are there valid parts of the scriptures as far as morals and what is right that we have to ignore in the process of promoting a capitalistic system--you already approved of my little co.'s Christian Capitalism by the way we carried it out.

And so promoting ethics and in cases as you said, fair (to all) 'regulations, does push the systems toward the straight & narrow path of 'Good business,' where the All prosper.

 

And going back to unfunded wars, our intentions were mostly honorable in engaging in them..as was the Viet Nam War..stepping up to help our 'allies.'

For the European countries that you point to as being successful, how many have a military that could defend them (as Hitler even ran over several in mere days) w/o the USA or NATO to defend them...same with Japan who has become a sterile, impotent country in those regards.

If the USA went back to pre-WWI & then pre-WWII status, what would happen to our European 'allies?" As the term, "they would fold as a cheap suit." And not being a warring country does not exempt any peaceful country from attack--Switzerland made it only by their rough topography!

Iran and it's allies will prove my point in the' near' future...

 

I must respectfully disagree with our intent. Even ignoring that, the ME wars were the only ones in our history that did not have an accompanying tax to fund them.
Russia carried the real weight and burden of WWII, and effectively buried the Nazi's in the snow.

Anyway, off to work I go.

 

You're not serious?!

If the US & Britain hadnt been beating the crap out of the Nazis on the Western front, Russia would have been over run the 1st time with a much greater army than the Western allies kept busy...you really need to find a non-liberal academia to get your info.!!

Viet Nam was trying to chk Communism in that area, Iraq went beyond containing Saddam do to the 'total backing of Congress (as well as approval of Russia and other non-allies) to defuse the proliferation of WMD's as 'known' at that time; and Afghanistan was in retaliation of 9-11 and an attempt to neutralize Al Qaeda from future attacks.

If you dont see American as being 'the most noble country on this earth," (not perfect!) then I would move to your beloved impotent Europe and wait for Sharia Law to take you over.....

 

The Ideal Christian Society Is Communist????/

Communism is one of the 12 Systems possible for Economic Distribution.

It focuses upon the means of producing things and then sets forth a program by which that production is distributed.
That System has a place and time, like in the Kubbitzism of early Israel.
These have by and large merged into what is now a High Tech Venture Capital System of Distribution.


But as production makes material goods plentiful, Communism works against production and must develop into Free Enterprise or one of the other 11 Systems.
The will be a point in time when everyone has all that money buys today, bounded by the rational limitations of needs vs unreasonable desires, which will have past away.
The situation is as it is today for men who have everything their money can buy, and so often accumulate, invest, and save the excess.

 

Ho Chi Mihn was a nationalist. He turned to communists for support, not for ideology.
We were talking nicely. What happened? Can't handle criticism of our country?
Russia lost millions of people in the war. We also would have been destroyed without them, but they made the far larger sacrifice.

 

Having been to Europe, and traveled it all over, as both a Mil dependent and as a GI, seeing the all 1st hand, & with a father who went there both during WWII and after for the Berlin airlift..I'm going to leave this conversation b4 I really get ticked by one who is most likely an academic bench warmer...as in 'I will 'try' to leave gracefully!

Go about your folly...

 

The problem for both, while ideals, is human nature, never work as the many experiments of history have proven.

 

You didn't leave gracefully, though, did you?
You made rude remarks littered with unfounded assumptions.
If that is grace to you, I have a God I'd like to introduce you to.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Again, BB, you are offended with your thin-skinned hurt inner child and start lashing out in YOUR bigotry! YOU are the hater, and then point fingers at others....

But for someone who never gave an ounce of sweat or blood to this country, who hates the US and the Christianity that blessed it, YOU are being a hypocrite by staying here and complaining...dont be a hypocrite, but leave and find greener pastures that you can agree with....liberal whiners really do nothing FOR this country, just tear it done with their attempts at revisionist history, as in EVERYTHING the country has done has been bad & evil, and there is nothing redeeming in it's orig foundation or involvement with foreign wars....<puke>

That's my 'graceful exit' as responding to you in any regards as I've found is just a waste of my time...

 

All kinds of unfounded silliness in your post.
Why not have a serious conversation and keep your self control, one of the Fruits of the Spirit that Paul says is a fundamental sign of the person indwelt by the Holy Spirit?
It didn't take much for you to completely melt down and descend into irrational name calling and vitriol.
Sorry to see that.

 

Sorry, but for a "Post-Graceful Exit," you are always being hurt and wanting ppl to apologize to you for everything.

And then being a bigot, you assume the role of "the Accuser of the Brethren" as your all to usual fall back position. Hmmmmmm?...who was that again in the scripture?

And so I'm tired of your crying and will let you try to garner sympathy from someone else for all that you have suffered at the hands of Christians, other Americans, the unfair, etc. Some day maybe you'll take responsibility for how you 'feel!'

 

I asked for no apology.
I asked for a serious conversation.
I clearly asked for something you are not capable of, and for that I am sorry, on several levels.
When on the "straight and narrow path" as you self proclaim yourself to be on, how do the Fruits of the Spirit become a punchline?

 

Am responding to your usual MO..it's just a different thread but same circle jerk pattern (shud I invite in Inc to validate?)...

But I'm done with this topic..have spoke my mind and all else will be but vanity in repeating what's already been discussed on this topic..nobody's minds will be changed, as ppl have made their decisions.

EDIT: Caught your update....if you want to 'compare fruit,' (your usual retort to make yourself feel better) I have many friends and family to validate mine

And, apparently you are ignorant of the scriptures, that say: "The righteous are as' bold' as a lion..' having been given the gift of righteousness as one who believes...not as one who scoffs as you.

As well as "they were filled with the H. Spirit and spoke with 'boldness."

Boldness is not a fault but evidence of the Spirit in one's life.

 

Feel free to displaythe Fruits of the Spirit on PF. It would be a nice change and a great example for others. Boldness does not usurp the Fruits. It simply encourages you to display them with gusto. Be boldly kind and gentle. Be boldly joyous, loving, peaceful, patient. Be boldly faithful, good and self controlled. Boldness is not a pushback against the Fruits, but an encouragement to display them proudly.

 

Simply because no man is an island unto himself. Why do you believe that no collective action would ever be needed, sufficient to engender, from each according to their ability to each according to their need?

 

As I've been on here for about 5 yrs, never been Banned; I would assume that I havnt violated the TOS as well in calling you out..as being but a "Scoffer" with feigned Boldness (thk God for Anonymity, huh?)

Again my fruit havnt gotten me banned in a section that bashes Christians, where you fit right in! Your 'fruit' are ?? Scoffing, mocking, accusations, bashing, whining, ....I will try to look for 'good fruit' from you in the future, but you know what Scripture says, "A bad tree bears bad fruit'...and cannot produce good fruit! (the King OD zlation)

 

So your authority for proper behavior is PF and not the God of the bible? Not being banned is good enough for you, while abandoning the call of Paul to raise your game in your interactions with people?
If you consider holding you to the dictates of your faith to be mocking or whining, you really would have hated Jesus.

 

You have the right to call out others?! Thou hypocrite. Or are you Job's Satan?!

Well, I'm going to take my fruit and my pearls and leave you to your folly...I'm done.

"As a wiseman who joins a fool in his folly becomes as the fool"

 

"Thou hypocrite"?
LOL!
Have a great day. Spread your love around.