The khazars are being exposed every day now,...get out of Palestine you thieves!

Soliciting criticism from others Jack? Seems I have finally broken thru and now you are left with nothing more than attempting to make me the issue.

I love it. Thank you for finally displaying your intellectual bankruptcy and dishonesty.

TMR does a good job of presuming he knows where I'm coming from and how susceptible I am to mainstream media coverage. Quite the talent he has for being absurdly wrong.

 

Asking a question, that is what the ? is for, see?

And seeking clarity, of course, since I took it to mean that you perspective was distorted, and I cannot believe that, what with you being a big cheerleader of Zionism and Israel and everything fluffy.

TMR called it right.

 

Really Marlowe?

Why don't you educate me on my lies? What are these lies? how many are they? in what posts did I lie?

Get back to me when you find them. I'll wait.

 

"fluffy"? Is that how you view zionism (whatever that means to you) and Israel. Somehow fluffy doesn't come to mind. I'm sure the palestinians wouldn't agree with that assessment, nor the syrians, lebanese, jordanians, egyptians, iraqis, iranians, libyans et.al.

 

Prove it jack. Where are the zionist nazis? who is their leader?

when called out the substance of your posts disappears. But of course you wouldn't notice that.

 

For one thing, your denial that the blockade and occupation of over one million people leads to ongoing shortage of food, adequate medical supplies, etc.

 

Don't be obtuse.

It is your twisted, bastard, ugly state, and it's freakish terror seeded IDF and Knesset, and it's many little MINIONS.

 

You have failed to prove this allegation.

that is not me telling a lie, that is me challenging you when you make definitive statements without any evidence.

and I'll bet you won't provide that evidence now, either.

Keep trying.

 

How are they nazis? what specific philosophies do the Israeli and the nazi share? Are you talking about all Israelis despite their political persuasion being nazis?

I am not obtuse, I am seeking clarity from you when you throw out these idiotic epithets that are ripe with negative meaning but bereft of accuracy.

Israel ain't my state. I am a true blue great white northerner with a maple leaf tattooed on my arse and a Toronto Maple Leaf blanket and sheet set for my bed. (which my wife hates)

I am not a minion, I am a free man. - Number 6 appropriately paraphrased.

 

What about hitting the back button?

But yeah, I don't get why this crap is still going on. I find it inexcusable.

 

For me, Israel has a sense of self-superiority in common with the Nazis, just as the Jews have always done since even biblical times. There is this on-going refusal to integrate with other people, the "gentiles," always treating themselves and all other human beings as separate and, of course, favoring themselves over all others. What Israel is doing today isn't much different from the wars of conquest they fought in ancient times - then as now, it was about seizing others' lands and declaring them their own promised land.

 

Agreed there is a faction of zionism that believes in eretz israel, Unfortunately that faction includes Likud and a few whackos.

Destruction of the Gaza Greenhouses, purchased as a gift to the palestinian people by american jews for $14 million. they employed 3,500 palestinians.

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Apart from the abuses, keeping the horrors of that era alive is an extremely important cultural and sociological endeavour. The roms, the russians, the poles, and the myriad other groups that suffered in that period could have done exactly what the jews did. They pledged never again and committed to ensuring that the world would not forget. Guess it kinda gets under you skin - obviously because you are a denier.



Well Jack, as far as I can see you are applying a double standard for most of the criteria you put forward as being zionist. With the exception of land theft and the holocaust, your generic shopping list could be applied to many groups, including the palestinians. See what I did there?

 

Hmm. I see. A sense of self superiority that jews have always had. Know any chinese? know any frenchmen? know any americans?

Refusal to integrate with other people, treating gentiles differently, favouring themselves. Do you know where the word ghetto comes from? Are you familiar with the history of the jews and anti-sem...excuse me jewhatred thru the ages?
Favoring themselves. Well I guess we'll have to condemn them for that. I mean the absolute nerve. Nobody else does that.... do they?

So you do see the historical connection between the jews and Israel. Imagine they had to do it twice, guess they didnt 'get it right the first time and this time so far it hasn't been a walk in the park, but maybe it'll work out.

 

And Grimlins and Orcs!!!!

 

to litwin :::::
??? links ??? so much trouble for links.

mēs abi zinām, mēs mācīties mūsu pašu stāstus bez saites. Ak jā - varbūt mums ir dažas desas saites. bet es turpinu par sevi.

ir aš tiek žinau, kad mes sužinoti savo istorijos be nuorodos. o taip - galbūt mes turime keletą dešra nuorodų. bet aš saugo ir save.

ty i ja wiemy, że uczymy nasze własne historie bez linki. No tak - być może mamy kilka linków kiełbasa. ale trzymam dla siebie.

vlad

 

Likud and those "few" whackos carry a lot of weight and in over all control.

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Half truths and distortions :
First of all whatever amount was paid was a bribe + went in the pockets of the Jewish settlers . Here's a toned down/slanted account of that event

"Israeli Settlers Demolish Greenhouses and Gaza Jobs .

(note that the produce of those few greenhouses which was left - could NOT be exported from Gaza )

JERUSALEM, July 14 - About half the greenhouses in the Israeli settlements in Gaza have already been dismantled by their owners, who have given up waiting to see if the government was going to come up with extra payment as an inducement to leave them behind, say senior officials working on the coordination of this summer's Israeli pullout from Gaza.


Workers began to dismantle a greenhouse in the Gadid settlement on Wednesday. Half of the Israeli-built greenhouses have already come down.

Jewish Protesters in Gaza

Under international pressure to save what is left for Palestinian economic development, Israeli and international officials are working on a plan to pay settlers to hand over the remaining greenhouses and a dairy to Palestinians, to preserve jobs and production. These businesses provide thousands of jobs to Gazans.

Of the roughly 1,000 acres of agricultural land that were under greenhouses in the 21 Israeli settlements in Gaza, only 500 acres remain - creating significant doubts that the greenhouses could be handed over to the Palestinians as "a living business," the goal cited by the Israeli coordinator of the pullout, Eival Giladi.

James Wolfensohn, the former head of the World Bank, who is representing the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations in coordinating the economic aspects of the pullout, has been pressing Israeli officials to resolve the issue before it is too late.

The cost of the proposed deal is being estimated at between $8 million and $10 million, the officials said. Earlier proposals to pay for the greenhouses had been held up in part because the Palestinians have objected to the settlers being paid extra compensation for leaving Gaza. For this reason, and because the laws of many donor countries and international institutions prevent giving aid to a relatively wealthy country like Israel, the money is being put together by foundations and wealthy individuals, the officials said.

The officials who described these plans would speak only on the condition of anonymity because they are involved in difficult negotiations over the issue.

In another indication of progress, the European Union has agreed to provide customs officials to replace Israelis at the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza after the planned August pullout, said the European Union's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana. Israel had objected to a proposal from the World Bank to hire a private company to carry out customs inspections at Rafah, but may agree to agents responsible to the European Union.

Israel is under considerable pressure to retain the single customs "envelope" with the West Bank and Gaza, so that goods can travel between the two Palestinian territories and through Israel as they do now.

At the moment, officials say, Israel is willing to let others handle visas for people entering Gaza from Egypt, but still has security concerns.

Negotiators say they expect that if agreement can be reached on the border issues, it would smooth the way for building a Gaza seaport and modernizing and refurbishing the Gaza airport. So far, Israel has agreed to allow the Palestinians to begin to build the seaport, which could take three years, but not to reopen the airport, although the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, has told the Palestinians to begin planning for it.

"The Israelis are coming to understand that the logic of withdrawal from Gaza is that you withdraw or you don't," one official said. "To get the United Nations to certify that Gaza is no longer occupied, Israel has to get out of Gaza."

Under international law, that includes removing the settlers' houses, including the rubble. Last month, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reached an "agreement in principle" that the Israelis would destroy the houses and then pay the Palestinians to deal with the rubble, but the Israelis have refused to accept the rubble for disposal in Israel and the Palestinians have refused to accept it for disposal in Gaza. Now Israel is negotiating with Egypt to take the rubble - which would include dangerous materials like asbestos and fill at least 60,000 truckloads - and bury it in the Sinai Desert.

Israel sought international funding for the cleanup, which will cost at least $30 million, provide employment for Palestinians and take a couple of months, but other countries have not been willing to absorb such a cost.

One international official laughed and said: "An agreement in principle in this part of the world is the beginning of negotiations." There is no agreement yet on when the houses will be destroyed, or how, or how the asbestos will be treated or where the rubble will go, officials said.

Another issue that must be resolved is whether Israel can find a way to allow Palestinian goods in sealed containers to move from Gaza into Israel without being unloaded and reloaded again on Israeli trucks. Israel is building larger goods terminals at the Gaza border with more inspection lanes, and has agreed to allow Palestinian goods to travel in guarded convoys with tracking mechanisms between Gaza and the West Bank and, officials say, between Gaza and the Israeli seaport of Ashdod. In principle, Israel is willing to turn over the terminals to civilian, rather than military control, officials say, and is looking at sophisticated American and Chinese scanners.

Near the Gaza border Thursday, an Israeli woman in her 20's was killed and another Israeli wounded when a Qassam rocket fired from Gaza landed on a house in the Israeli kibbutz of Netiv Haasara. Palestinian authorities said Hamas was responsible and later clashed with Hamas militants, injuring five of them. Three Palestinian police officers were injured and two police cars burned.

[Early on Friday, Israeli helicopters fired missiles on three sites in Gaza, Reuters reported, quoting witnesses. The missiles struck a pro-Hamas charity in Gaza City, a cemetery in Khan Younis used as a launching site for the Palestinian mortars and a refugee camp. No casualties were immediately reported.]

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian leader, had traveled to Gaza on Thursday for emergency talks with Palestinian factions there. Militant groups often accompany his visits to Gaza with rocket fire aimed at Israel -- in Israeli eyes, to spite him and his call for quiet. Israeli officials warned that the army would not stand by while Israeli civilians are killed inside Israel. The woman was the first Israeli killed by rocket or mortar fire from Gaza since the putative cease-fire began in early February.

Another Israeli, Maor Jann, 21, a soldier, died on Thursday from his wounds suffered in Tuesday evening's suicide bombing in Netanya, bringing the Israeli death toll in that attack to five.

Also Thursday, Israeli soldiers shot a Palestinian commander for Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades in the West Bank city of Nablus after surrounding a building and calling for the surrender of those inside, the Israeli Army said. Muhammad al-Asi, the commander, was killed and another Islamic Jihad member, a Palestinian man and a British woman who were also inside the building, were arrested.

Before traveling to Gaza, Mr. Abbas denounced "the spiral of violence" and called for restraint. But he did not condemn Islamic Jihad or announce a crackdown on its members.

Joschka Fischer, Germany's foreign minister, met on Thursday with Mr. Abbas and the Palestinian prime minister, Ahmed Qurei, and said bluntly, "Terrorism will have no positive results, and there will be no chance to establish an independent Palestinian state as long as violence and terrorism continue."

Two Israeli settlers accused of beating a young Palestinian man in Gaza on June 29 were charged by an Israeli court on Thursday, one with attempted murder and the other with aggravated assault in an attack the Israeli Army commander in Gaza, Gen. Dan Harel, called "an attempted lynching."

Early Thursday, hundreds of Gaza settlers angered by the government's decision to make Gaza a closed military zone ahead of the mid-August pullout were forcibly removed from a main road crossing by soldiers. About 60 cars that the settlers had used to block the Kissufim crossing were removed.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/international/middleeast/15mideast.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


" See what I did there?


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thanks for the clarification on the greenhouses. I had forgotten that half were dismantled before the other half was destroyed.


Notwithstanding that the response about zionism was nothing but a generic list.

That was the point of my response. To show that a list like can be applied to many groups, so it wsn't much of a response to a central question.

You all hate zionists and zionism, but you refuse to actually define what you mean by that label.

You are as aware as I am of the various flavours of zionism that run the spectrum from hardcore to unnoticeable. Of the various flavours of zionism, only nationalist zionism (likud) and religious zionism could be termed inimical to palestinian interests.

So, in order actually understand you and yours virulent hatred of zionism and insistence you aren't jewhaters, a little clarity in what you actually mean by that label is in order.

Failing that clarity, is an indictment of true and honest feelings.

 

Why bother to ask us, if you do not want our answers?

 

Inflated view of own self.

Freakish obsession with blood lines.

Concentration camps, but Israel took it on a stage, and just made an open air one.

Militarise their population.

 

Doesn't always work out, mate.

 

This?

the blockade and occupation of over one million people leads to ongoing shortage of food, adequate medical supplies, etc

Before I go on, are you actually denying THIS?

 

Or goblins, or whatever these are meant to be..

[video=youtube;oI8TM9SJ6jQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8TM9SJ6jQ[/video]

 

Indeed, he seems to be denying what Palestinian's and other observers on the ground have known for a very long time, and which even Israel themselves have been forced to recognise, namely that the blockade of Gaza is Israeli state policy designed to inflict collective punishment, not to bolster Israeli “security”.

A couple of years ago, an Israeli human rights group won a legal battle to compel the Israeli government to release three important documents. These outline state policy for permitting the transfer of goods into Gaza prior to the attack on the peace flotilla in which nine people were killed by Israeli forces. The group, Gisha – Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, demanded Israeli transparency. Meanwhile, Israel refused to release documents on blockade policy which was “eased” after international condemnation following the flotilla attack.

The released documents, whose existence Israel had denied for eighteen months, reveal that the state approved “a policy of deliberate reduction” of basic goods, including food and fuel, in the Gaza Strip. Gisha Director Sari Bashi explains:

“Instead of considering security concerns, on the one hand, and the rights and needs of civilians living in Gaza, on the other, Israel banned glucose for biscuits and the fuel needed for regular supply of electricity – paralyzing normal life in Gaza and impairing the moral character of the State of Israel. I am sorry to say that major elements of this policy are still in place.”

http://www.gisha.org/index.php ?intLanguage=2&intItemId=1904&intSiteSN=113

As Saeed Bannoura of the International Middle East Media Center reports, the Israeli government imposed a deliberate policy:

“in which the dietary needs for the population of Gaza are chillingly calculated, and the amounts of food let in by the Israeli government measured to remain just enough to keep the population alive at a near-starvation level. This documents the statement made by a number of Israeli officials that they are ‘putting the people of Gaza on a diet’.”

http://www.imemc.org/article/59843

Bannoura added:

“This release of documents also severely undermines Israel's oft-made claim that the siege is ‘for security reasons’, as it documents a deliberate and systematic policy of collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza.”

When Israel and the United States were reacting to Hamas’s election victory in Gaza in January 2006, long-time Israeli government adviser Dov Weisglass stated:

“The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.” (‘Hamas readies for government, Israel prepares sanctions’, Agence France Presse, February 16, 2006)

The released documents contain actual equations used by the Israeli government to calculate the exact amounts of food, fuel and other necessities needed to do exactly that.

http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/HiddenMessages/ DefenseMinistryDocumentsRevealedFOIAPetition.pdf

The policy is all the more disturbing, indeed repellent, given that almost half the people of Gaza are children under the age of eighteen. One might reasonably conclude that Israel has deliberately forced the undernourishment of hundreds of thousands of children in direct violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

 

test I only saw a black square I want to see if I edit it and see the it.
yup editing it worked. Why are people posting bad links to YouTube?
use {video}http address {/video} to post videos. replace { with [

 

I cannot believe he asked me to even prove this.

Actually, no, I can.

He probably thinks these are 'baseless claims', but would fully accept them if they were Jews.


http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress....-children-by-electric-shocking-sabbah-report/

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2010/09/13/israeli-soldiers-sexually-abuse-palestinian-children/