The lack of Math and Scientific Knowledge in Ultra-Religious.

That is EXACTLY how a MATH GUY does it as it is the very basis of Infinity.

Infinity can not be represented any other way other than the Mathematical Reality that there does not exist any upper LIMIT to numerical quantity.

AboveAlpha

 

Like the song that never ends ?
You are not a math guy, you're a poser.


I'll give you a hint of where to start : ........

 

Have you ANY idea how stupid this makes you look posting this equation?

There is literally an INFINITE number of simple algebraic equations a person could list expressing Infinity and THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS A BAD REPRESENTATION!

But since you INSIST that THIS simple equation is the ONLY equation that would detail a Numerical explanation detailing Infinity why don't YOU explain to the MEMBERSHIP EXACTLY what this equation is detailing as once a member is told exactly what is being represented they will ALSO REALIZE that this equation is no more complex than posting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,...continue!

But since you probably won't explain this I will have to.

Membership....lim as is detailed in Squiddy's listed equation in Math stands for LIMIT....and although it is hard to see if you look close you will see a line under the letters lim/ x to 0....this means x represents the number of a term called APPROACHES and since the number of approaches...better known to us SMART PEOPLE AS negative whole numerical sets and on the OTHER side of ZERO are Positive whole numerical sets as INFINITY goes in EITHER DIRECTION from ZERO.

Thus X is representing INFINITY but in this case it is representing a Negative Infinite Numerical Set thus x, -9,-8,-7,-6,-5,-4,-3,-2,-1,ZERO....or you could continue the other way ZERO, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,X

So what this equation is saying is the lim or LIMIT is defined as INFINITE....that being represented by x.

Then this means 1/x which is 1 divided by INFINITY = INFINITY.

STUPID RIGHT!!???

This is simply an over pretentious person attempting to look smart as what SQUID does not tell you is that you could change this equation around an INFINITE NUMBER OF WAYS to represent Infinity.because infinity is NOT a number....it is a representation of a CONCEPT.

When a person uses the word Infinity they could just as easy substitute another descriptive word defining state or condition...and I will demonstrate.

A person asks another person...Hey! How many stars are in the sky?

The other person answers..."There is an INFINITE number of stars in the sky."

OR...the person could substitute the word infinite with MANY....thus..."There are MANY stars in the sky."

OR...you could use the word....few...or giant...or colossal...or....MIND BOGGLING.

Squid...if you are going to attempt to make me look bad by challenging me in science or mathematics then you are going to have to try A LOT HARDER to at least not make yourself look like an idiot.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh...and I forgot something.

When you use lim or LIMIT within such an equation specific to defining INFINITY it is known as CARDINALITY.

As you are simply expressing an aspect or expressing a PARTIALITY of INFINITY.

This equation is specific to representing or expressing a NEGATIVE whole number progression from a negative infinite whole numerical state to ZERO.

Thus x = INFINITY to ZERO.

You could also do this in the other Positive Direction thus ZERO to X= Infinity.

Basically this is EXACTLY the same thing I was detailing it's just SQUIDDY thought it might look smart for him to detail the INFINITE in the negative direction.

When will he ever learn?

AboveAlpha

 

I am challenging a loud mouthed boy to actually present some/any/or even the smallest amount of mathematics, instead of just saying the word "mathematics".

So far you have presented none, not even one of the "infinite number of simple algebraic equations".

adding one to a finite number is simply another finite number. Your forth grade proof is woefully inadequate.
I'm not a math major, nor do i pretend to be, but you're not even close to a math expert.

The limit concept was a starting place for you to stop looking stupid.
I did not "INSIST that THIS simple equation is the ONLY equation that would detail a Numerical explanation detailing Infinity"
I do insist that you have presented nothing of substance.

1, 2, 3, 4, ..............continue! what a joke.

 

Whole numbers continue to infinity, and so if you continue adding one to a whole number without end you will be doing so to infinity and beyond -- that is to say, were there anything beyond infinity. So what's this argument about again?

 

THANK YOU GATEWOOD!!!

Squid is arguing....about what neither you nor I nor does anyone else have the slightest idea!!!!

His posted equation is EXACTLY the same as counting from zero to -1,-2, -3...etc...on to infinity.

I posted about how counting from ZERO to 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9...etc....on to infinity is IN FACT a numerical mathematical representation of a proof to the existence of infinity.

Since I KNOW...Squid just cut and pasted his equation without really understanding that in his attempts to argue that my posted representation was in his words let's see....Squid said..."I am challenging a loud mouthed boy to actually present some/any/or even the smallest amount of mathematics."...end quote Squiddy......

.....Squiddy without even realizing it posted an equation which is a mathematical representation detaining...CARDINALITY.....which means a representation detailing a PARTIALITY of INFINITY....and I did the same thing except my Cardinality was from ZERO , 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9...etc...to Infinity.....and Squids equation was a representation of a Cardinality of Infinity...to...-4,-3,-2,-1, to ZERO.

But regardless that my Numerical Set was from Zero to Infinity and Squids posted an Equation....that represented Infinity....-4,-3,-2,-1, to Zero.....Squid does not understand that his posted Equation is basically IDENTICAL as a representation of a Numerical Representation of Proof of Infinity just that his Cardinality does so using Zero to Infinity in Negative Numbers instead of Positive Numbers as in my representation.

The really SAD thing here is he STILL does not understand that anyone with anymore than a 9th grade High School Education in Mathematics understands....as you put it Gatewood..."So what's this argument about?"

Because even though Squid still thinks there is an argument....THERE IS NOT!! As he is posting the same concepts I am....but he neither understands such concepts or even the Cut and Paste Equation he posted!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

You are welcome. I truly, genuinely could not figure out what was bothering him from the standpoint of mathematical laws. I love mathematics because it makes the human imagination real in terms of measurements and dimensions that can be reproduced by anyone with the proper training and tools and then it also leads the human imagination into unexplored realms but with logic and discipline and rules. But my understanding is limited enough that I have to cleave to the iron clad definitions which clearly state what does and does not go to infinity. Those function as my lifelines and without them I am lost in mathematics.

 

I enjoy the PURITY of Mathematics and as you know the NAME of this topic is about how I have experienced that those people who are Ultra-Religious or Zealots never seem to have much knowledge and education specific to science and mathematics.

Because of this you will read posts by some members on this forum who will confront another member who posts some scientific data that provides a great deal of evidence against such childish concepts as....Noah was able to both build a boat big enough, fast enough and as well have the ability to find, store, feed and keep alive one male and one female of every species of life that...according to such people....was unable to either fly or swim...LOL!!!....as if the birds were able to fly in 40 days and 40 nights of rain without rest or that Noah and his crew had enough time and method of world wide transport and other technologies needed to FIND, CATCH OR HARVEST, TRANSPORT SPECIES EXISTING ALL OVER THE WORLD TO THE BOAT...NEVER MIND BEING ABLE TO GET TO WHERE ALL SUCH WORLD WIDE EXISTING SPECIES LIVE....AND THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT PLANT LIFE AND MICROSCOPIC ORGANISMS AND HOW EVEN IF YOU HAD 100,000 PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE 100,000 PEOPLE TO FIND AND GET A MALE AND FEMALE OR AN ASEXUAL MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF A SPECIES AND KEEP THEM ALIVE AND GET THEM TO THE BOAT AND KEEP THEM ALIVE THERE....WOULD BE LONGER THAN THE TIME MANY OF THESE SPECIES WOULD EXIST ON EARTH BEFORE GOING EXTINCT!!!! LOL!!!

But the one thing such people just cannot handle is the FACT....that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the entire Earth to have flooded.

Even if all the Water Ice melted everywhere on Earth this still would not even come CLOSE to covering all land masses with water....and as well here is the problems if as some of these Fanatics and Zealots have said....GOD was able to cover all the Earth's Land Mass with water as GOD can do anything!!

Well here is the problem with that. Let's say for argument sake that some GOD covered the ENTIRE PLANET WITH LIQUID WATER....and to do this we would have to cover the Earth in about 5.5 MILES of water above current sea level as 5.5 Miles is about the height of Mt. Everest.

IF....such a thing happened....the added Mass to the Earth in the form of 5.5 Miles of Liquid Water completely covering all land masses and increasing the Earths Sea Level by 5.5 Miles in elevation...this added Mass would change the Warpeture or Strength of Earth's Gravity Well...thus a 100 lbs person would weigh about 110 lbs...but that is nothing in comparison to the problems such added mass would do as this Gravitational Increase of the Earth's Gravity Well would cause our MOON to begin to slowly spiral down to Earth in a DECAYING LUNAR ORBIT as the Earth and Moon would eventually IMPACT....but even THAT is not as bad as other issues!!!

Because the Earth's diameter would increase by 11 Miles this means our ATMOSPHERE would be raised up 5.5 Miles from current sea level and along with an increase of Gravity EARTH'S ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE would increase to the point Human Breathing would be like breathing a LIQUID....due to the increased Air Density and all LIFE OF EARTH WOULD PROBABLY DIE FROM EITHER NITROGEN NARCOSIS OR THE BENDS...due to the much greater amount of Nitrogen inhaled per breath.

But even THAT might not be the worse as what very well might happen and happen very quickly at that is that the ADDED MASS OF THE EARTH....just might be great enough to increase Earth's CENTRIPETAL force....and for those members who don't know....CENTRIPETAL Force is different from CENTRIFUGAL Force....this added mass might increase Earth's Centripetal Force from orbiting the Sun to an extent where the calculated force of Earth's Centripetal Force along with Earth's Gravitational connection to our Moon may exceed the Solar Gravitational Effect of Warping Space-Time at Earth's normal Solar Orbital Distance dependent upon time of year of which such a Solar Created Gravitational Space-Time Warpeture which normally is capable of holding our Planet and Moon orbiting it in a Elliptical Stable Solar Orbit ....but due to a relatively instantaneous...40 days and nights...dramatic increase in Earth's Planetary Mass as well a change in the Earth/Moon Orbital Connect and such a dynamic no longer being a relative constant in the Celestial Mechanics calculation of Earth/Moon Gravitational Connection due to a change in the distances of calculation specific to the Inverse Square Law of Gravity as Earth's Diameter has increased by 11 miles and as well the Earth to Moon average orbital distance has as well changed....and as well TOTAL MASS HAS CHANGED specific to the Earth/Moon Solar orbital calculation.

So...all that means....because of this added mass....the Centripetal Force of the Earth/Moon Solar Orbit will INCREASE to a FORCE that is GREATER in it's Perpendicular 90 degree Sidereal motion to the Center Point of the Solar Gravity Wells effect upon it.

THAT means the added mass of the Earth will cause it to break free of our Solar Orbit and either be lost in the deep freeze of deep space or perhaps collide with another Planet orbiting our Sun....either way...all life on Earth would DIE and be extinct for all time.

Now...when I actually take the time to detail all these realities and do it in a manner that is a simple as I can possibly explain it to some Religious Extremists or Zealots......the replies I get are....SATANIST!!!! ATHEIST!!!! YOU OF THE RELIGION OF SCIENCE!!!!! Etc...etc...!!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Well nobody ever said that the life of a truth teller was easy. Adventurous? Yes. Easy? No. The fact that Jesuits never rejected math or science should tell these people something -- and actually it should tell people on both sides of the religious issue something. You do not have to reject match or science in order to be and remain religious oriented. Nor do you need to embrace math or science in order to become either an agnostic or atheist.

All an admiration for math and science means is that you really cannot remain a literalist in regards to many of the old and new testament tales. Ditto for being Jewish or Muslim. Some things also need -- perhaps -- be taken less literally in Buddhism (though I can't say that I am up on Buddhist theology. Definitely adherents of Hinduism would have to embrace the concept of "Most of this stuff is really good metaphor rather than literal truth," in order to prevent math and science from blowing the lid off their ability to believe. On the other hand anyone willing to release the concept that their belief system is the literal truth in every respect should have no trouble embracing math and science in their every aspect.

What literalists determined to defend the 'truth' of their religious tales do not seem to grasp is that even knowing -- for instance -- that the flood concept cannot be literally true does not mean that one also then cannot take it as a general lesson (of some meaningful sort or the other) aimed at humanity to be absorbed for its (one presumes) inherent religious value.

Now mind you this is me writing as an atheist. But if I can see how religion can continue to have a place in this world as math and science steadily advance to explain the heretofore unknowable then so, too, can they. Embrace the concept of useful metaphor and aphorism people! If you find your religion of value in your life then continue to believe in it . . . but loosen up on the literal aspects. If the Catholic Jesuits could do that much then you can do it as well.

 

I completely agree.

What I really don't understand is why the Lesson of such obvious Mythological Religious Stories such as Noah's Arc and World Wide Flood or Adam and Eve being cast out of Paradise or the whole 6 Day Creation thing...is not important enough to some people.

I have noticed that those who will fight tooth and nail to attempt to PROVE such things actually happened seldom talk about the meanings and the lessons of such stories but rather get caught up in memorizing Biblical Verse and concentrate upon Religious Dogma.

And as you stated Reality and scientific and mathematical demonstrations of known reality does NOT conflict with a persons belief in a GOD.

AboveAlpha

 

I suspect that the reason most 'believers' do not spend much time discussing the spiritual lesson behind their tales is because the lessons are dead simple in essence and almost always hark back to some aspect or the other of the Ten Commandments -- which all major religions have in one slight variation or the other as the root core of their belief system. They call it different things and leave some few things out while adding a few others, but the "Thou Shall or Shall Not" rules of behavior is pretty much always there. So there is simply more entertainment or interest value in arguing over nonsense aspects rather then simply embracing the fact that on the whole NONE of these concepts are difficult to comprehend but they are almost all extraordinarily difficult to adhere to and live by as they require a vast amount of self-discipline and will power.

 

Again I agree as these rules or commandments are SELF EVIDENT....and a GOD certainly was not necessary to explain such things that even a child could understand.

AboveAlpha