The Morality of Resistance

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    And what would the death toll be in terms of civilian casualties in a crowded urban area if such tactics were utilized on united states soil? How many innocent bystanders are you willing to support being killed by your own government in the name of trying to stop members of the public who do not agree with government actions?
     
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    why would innocent civilians be killed? did I say we would blanket bombing city blocks?
    it's not the governments fault. It would be the treasonous criminals fault. There is no mechanism for rebellion in the constitution. So, any such rebellion is unlawful. The only constitutional remedy available to you to redress a grievance is the courts. it that doesn't work, then article 5.
     
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    If it is known by the resistance that the usage of high explosive devices would be utilized against them in retaliation, it would be quite easy for said resistance to mobilize to into locations where the such of such devices would be strategically unsound. A large shopping center congregated by hundreds, a power distribution node that would cause a cascade power failure, a water treatment facility to leave large sections of the public without running water, or a key section of road that is critical for timely supply deliveries for distribution to the public. Should government decide to utilize explosive ordnance against an uprising, they could wind up destroying all public support for their actions, ensuring the uprising only grows in magnitude.

    It is not necessary for the united states constitution to declare that rebellion is a legal course of action. Once rebellion becomes the only viable means of change, it means the united states constitution, and the whole system, has been completely disregarded by those in charge and rendered as nothing more than an absolute joke. The united states constitution does not exist to protect the government and maintain its existence.
     
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    again.............why would innocent civilians be killed? did I say we would blanket bombing city blocks?



    and yet armed rebellion is treason, and will quickly be squashed by local law enforcement. If they can't, the military will.
     
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    Good link. I like how it says that the constitution does not contain any language forbidding any of the sovereign states from leaving the union.
     
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    It specifically shows you where. The courts explain in much better than I can. You should read it. Then you can stop believing such whacky things.
     
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    And yet you are unable to cite the language that forbids any of the sovereign states from exiting the union.
     
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    Proven false
     
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    For the simple reason there are no bombs capable of killing only a single individual. And unless the utilization of explosive devices to limited to individuals in remote, isolated locations, there will always be the potential for innocent civilians being killed in the course of their use.

    Treason would be government deciding that it will no longer abide by the united states constitution at any level, thus demonstrating the warnings of the founding fathers have come true. Declaring war against the citizens would certainly be a good start to its actions being considered treasonous.
     
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    So no civilians will be getting bombed. Thank you.



    You have no authority to decide this. Your only option is the court system, or article 5.

    It wouldn’t be declaring war. It would be policing. No different than putting down rioters.
     
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    The only way to insure no civilians get bombed in the course of attempting to put down an armed rebellion, will be if no bombs are utilized at all during such an instance. Meaning the government will have to refrain from the use of any explosive devices while dealing with threats on united states soil.

    The united states government has no authority to do anything outside the scope of the united states constitution, either.

    And when such options fail, what then? What course of action does one take when the legal system offers no protections from harm, no recourse, no options of any sort? Simply suck it up and take whatever is given to them?

    How often has local law enforcement killed large groups of rioters on sight?
     
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    No, just not bombjng city blocks.



    And if they do, your only recourse is the courts or article 5.



    Then you don’t get what you want.
    You were given your 2 options.


    When did I ever claim they did?
     
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    Why would there be an armed rebellion?
     
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    This is the langue forbidding any of the states from exiting the union.

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    Lo entiendes?
     
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    Ah, I see. Thuggery. No legal language.

    I kind of figured that.
     
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    Still no language. I knew it.
     
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    Proven false.
     
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    Closer to this, I think:

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    Proven false by you citing the language. Right. Wait, no. You didn't cite any language.
     
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    Thus meaning that armed rebellion members would simply have to locate themselves within the city, rather in more rural areas, and government by extension would be crippled as a result of their strategic positioning.

    Thus meaning that government is permitted to engage in tyranny at its leisure, both freely and legally, and the public has no choice but to accept such as the new normal, correct? There is absolutely no action the government could engage in, that would legitimize the idea of the public rising up in rebellion to destroy it in its then-current form?

    With the statement of law enforcement putting down rioters. Rioters, plural, as in multiple individuals. As in deadly force is being deployed against those engaged in the commission of a riot, all without due process.
     
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    All of the tanks in the entire united states military would not be enough to handle even a single state deciding to leave the union.
     
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    Proven false
     
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