The most beautiful coat of arms that ever existed in the known history of mankind.

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  1. Dayton3

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    Don't be foolish. No one is imprisoned in the U.S. due to their political beliefs. They are imprisoned for committing actual crimes.

    The United States does not and has not officially allowed torture.

    People in Guantanamo are not U.S. citizens.
     
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    If he's lying on the sidewalk, simply get a shovel and scoop him into the dumpster with the rest of the trash!
     
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    Mises has already won this argument, as did America during the Cold War. The USSR and its satellite states are a relic of the past, and the Chinese were wise to begin liberalizing their economy before they suffered the same fate. Unfortunately, that realization came too late for the tens of millions of Chinese who perished during Mao's failed collectivization program and the purge that followed.

    Sadly, some people have ignored the lessons of History, such as the socialists who have destroyed Venezuela's democracy and economy...

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    The blind arrogance of each new generation of know-it-alls presses them to believe they possess the secret that will make humans willingly behave irrationally.
     
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    Ask the people in China how they fare in their great economy. The N. Korean's consider Russia a dream job compared to China, even though Russia's economy is being hit by sanctions and war threats, and it's social services is minuscule compared to nations like Norway.

    Anyway any system that doesn't take individual freedom and choice into account, (and that includes us), and tries to impose ones own standards and beliefs is basically enslaving people. As Vladimir Putin once said: Anyone who doesn't reminisce about the Soviet Union has no heart, and anyone who wants it back has no brains.
     
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    And when it invariably turns out that they don't have the secret they resort to violence.

    Gulags and Guillotines...
     
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    You can not enter the same water twice. Therefore, the USSR is impossible. There will be a new Russian empire. In the sotav which will include California, Alaska, Hawaii and New York.
    Therefore, you must learn Russian in order to greet Russian soldiers in your city. And do not forget to raise the Russian flag.
     
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    Specification. Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib
     
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    The USSR can not be restored. And it does not make sense. Why should the Russians contain hordes of hungry people, such as Ukrainians or Uzbeks, Georgians or Armenians? Why should Russia hang the hordes of wild nations around its neck? I hope this does not happen.
    But Russia (and the whole world in its further development) will inevitably return to the socialist path of development.
    You for example know that the Russian government intends to introduce (resume) the planned economy. Because only a planned economy can give a huge economic leap. Only with the help of a planned economy is it possible to concentrate funds and opportunities on the most complex and costly, but necessary for the country, projects. For example, space programs or the sudden development of digital technologies and artificial intelligence. No corporation can provide the conditions that the state can provide.
    And as you know, a planned economy is an important element of the socialist economy.Remember the industrialization of the USSR in the 1930s. No other country in the world was is capable of about this.
    Now a new organization is being created - an analog of the Gosplan. New laws and by-laws are being prepared.
    In addition, in the forthcoming economic and sanctioning wars, only a planned economy is able to withstand any problems.
    Once again, a planned economy is the basis of socialist economy.
     
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    Capitalism
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    Here's where my information came from:

    According to the Russian Church, about a quarter of a million priests, bishops and monks were killed under Lenin and Stalin. I had read it was 20 thousand, but the Church now is revealing differently which I tend to believe, since one well known Saint escaped being sent to the Gulag only because he was a top surgeon and useful to society. It was also from the Russian Church that I heard that all the beneficial social policies in the Soviet Union started with Tsar Nicholas II, and not with the communists.

    Recently the Russian government revealed that the orders to kill the Tsar's family came directly from Lenin. In one of my books on Russia, it said that Bolsheviks had to be brought in from Finland to kill the family, out of fear the Russians could not do it. As for Lenin promising to distribute the wealth among the people, that came from Vladimir Putin. It was also Vladimir Putin who said he was baptized secretly by his mother, so his father who was a communist wouldn't find out.

    As for attributing the rise of fascism and Nazism directly to the Soviet Union and communism, if you read the words of the Nazi hymn, it states outright that their fight is against the communists. If the Nazis attacked the Jews, it's probably because many of them tended towards internationalism, and were members of the communist party - and therefore a threat.

    Anyway I have a lot of books on Imperial Russia, as well as biography's. I'm not that knowledgeable though on the Soviet Union.
     
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    Sorry, I don't speak Mongolian.
     
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    Ah don't get too irritated. There are people like you and me who know the truth about Russia, and then there's Obama.
     
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    Why do people bother with Russian Agitprop like this?
     
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    We would prefer to keep NY, HI and AK. You can have California. We won't miss it.
     
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    Of course, Lenin set Russia on the path to socialism which led to tens of millions of deaths and a few other inconveniences. Turns out the hammer and sickle were the tools of dictatorship, cutting people down, hammering them into insignificance. The coat of arms may not have swords or guns on it, but the red came from the blood of those sacrificed to an ideology. I don't find that beautiful at all.
     
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    Capitalism is the wrong term. Free enterprise is a better one, and it's what built the US. Unfortunately that is being destroyed now with the multi national corporations buying up everything and all the taxes and regulations for the one world order - under corporate dominance of course.

    As for socialism, it works great in communal societies like the Scandinavian ones, where everyone watches out for everyone else, but not so in the individualistic and family oriented ones like in the Mediterranean. So one system can never be imposed on all people. What I do know is that democracy has failed, not only here but everywhere.

    When our brilliant Founding Fathers wrote our Constitution, they said that a Democratic system can only work under Christianity - I guess they were thinking of the strong moral ethics of the Puritans. Well those ethics do not exist here, or anywhere anymore, so all we have in the US and Europe are corrupt politicians who lie continuously in order to gain or retain their position. That the Russians have voted for an honest man is a credit to them, whether they agree with him or not.

    I know that Alexander Dugan, the Russian political scientist and philosopher wrote a book on a Fourth Political system, but I haven't read it. What I gathered is that he believes that in all cultures people are inherently different, and one system can never be imposed on all. I agree with him.
     
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    You don't need Tor to read the works of Trotsky :D
     
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    Oh no! They want everything:


     
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    Putin only has his puppet Trump for another couple years, not enough time to accomplish a take over
     
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    Where's the trolls peeking over the horizon?

    ^^ that is just creepy..all- powerful tentacles embrace from all sides with mites.... (shudder) who says that? ^^Stalin was clearly a creep of epic proportions
     
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    About the priests "killed by the Bolsheviks".

    The appeal of Patriarch Tikhon and members of the Patriarchal Holy Synod to the Soviet press in connection with the death of the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

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    I ask you, through your newspaper, to express my condolences to the government of the Union of Soviet Republics about the grievous loss incurred by him in the person of the unexpectedly deceased Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars V. Ulyanov (Lenin).
    Patriarch Tikhon
    Metropolitan Tikhon (Obolensky)
    Metropolitan Seraphim (Alexandrov)
    Metropolitan Peter (Polyansky)

    Statement:

    "The Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church expresses its sincere regret at the death of the great liberator of our people from the realm of great violence and oppression on the path of complete freedom and self-construction. But the light image of the great fighter and sufferer for the freedom of the oppressed, for the ideas of the universal genuine brotherhood and brightly shines to everyone in the struggle to achieve the full happiness of people on earth.We know that he was deeply loved by the people ... The centuries to come will not erase the people's road to his grave, the cradle of his free will odes of all mankind.The great deceased often for centuries speak to the mind and heart of the survivors, and from now on this silent grave of the incessant tribune, from generation to generation, for those who wish for happiness.Eternal memory and eternal peace of your long-suffering, kind and Christian soul. "
    Izvestia No. 20 of January 25, 1924

    After Lenin's death, many parishes and laymen addressed the Patriarch with the question: Can they serve a funeral service for Vladimir Ilyich? Tikhon replied: "According to the canons of the Orthodox Church, it is forbidden to serve a funeral service and commemorate the deceased in church service, who was excommunicated from the church during his lifetime ... But Vladimir Ilyich Lenin is not excommunicated from the Orthodox Church by the highest ecclesiastical authority, and therefore every believer has the right and the opportunity to commemorate he.... Ideology we with Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, of course, disagreed, but I have information about him as a man of the kindest and truly Christian soul. "
    Evening Moscow on January 25, 1924.

    And that twice, do not write a refutation of the false myths of the Western media about the terror against the church.

    Speech of Patriarch Alexy 1 on the death of Stalin


    "The great leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was no more.

    Great, moral, and social power was abolished: the power in which our people felt their own power, by which they were guided in their creative works and enterprises, which he consoled over many years. There is no area where the great gaze of the great Leader does not penetrate. The people of science were amazed at his profound scientific knowledge in the most diverse fields, his brilliant scientific generalizations; military - his military genius; people of the most diverse work invariably received powerful support and valuable instructions from him. As a man of genius, he in every business discovered what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind.

    About his tense worries and deeds during the Great Patriotic War, about his brilliant leadership of the military actions, which gave us the victory over a strong enemy and in general over fascism; about his many-sided, immense daily work on management, on the management of state affairs-they spoke extensively and convincingly both in the press and, especially, at the last farewell today, on the day of his funeral, his closest co-workers. His name, as a champion of peace throughout the world, and his glorious deeds will live forever.

    We, having gathered to pray for him, can not pass by the silence of his always benevolent, sympathetic attitude towards our church needs. No question with which we would apply to him was rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And much good and useful, thanks to his high authority, was made for our Church by our Government.

    The memory of him is unforgettable for us, and our Russian Orthodox Church, lamenting his departure from us, accompanies him on his last journey, "to the path of all the earth," with a fervent prayer.

    In these sad days for us from all sides of our homeland from the bishops, clergy and believers, and from abroad from the Heads and representatives of the churches, both Orthodox and non-Orthodox, I receive many telegrams in which I am informed of prayers for him and expresses myself we condolence on the occasion of this sad loss for us.

    We prayed for him when news came of his grave illness. And now, when he is no more, we pray for the peace of his immortal soul.

    Yesterday our special delegation was made up of His Eminence Metropolitan Nicholas; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Siberia, Archbishop Palladius; representative of the episcopate, clergy and faithful of Ukraine Archbishop Nikon and Protopresbyter Fr. Nicholas, laid a wreath to his coffin and bowed from the face of the Russian Orthodox Church to his dear ashes.

    Prayer full of Christian love comes to God. We believe that our prayer for the deceased will be heard by the Lord. And to our beloved and unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich, we prayerfully, with deep, ardent love, we proclaim eternal memory
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    source: Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate. 1953, №4. C.3

    Do you know that more than half of the tsarist military officers were officers of the Red Army? In the "white army" was only 30% of the officer corps.
    The arrest of the tsar was the head of the general staff of the tsarist army, General Alekseev. Not Bolsheviks. The arrest of the royal family was made by the chief of the St. Peterburg military district - the royal general Korniolov . Not Bolsheviks. .....
    Church hierarchs welcomed the removal of Tsar Nicholas 2 from power. The peoples of Russia rejoiced after the overthrow of the monarchy. Everybody Hated Nicholas 2. Do you know that in Russia in 1902, 1905, 1907 ... there was a severe famine? Because of the stupid policy of Nicholas 2.
    Do you know that the Tsar's relatives robbed the army? Because of Uncle Nicholas II, the Russian-Japanese war of 1905 was lost....
    Do you think that the "white army" fought for the king? They hated Nicholas 2 no less than the Bolsheviks. For example, Admiral Kolchak, betrayed the oath of allegiance to Nicholas 2, and swore allegiance to the Provisional Government, after which he received the title Admiral. Then Kolchak betrayed the Provisional Government and sold his services to the Japanese, then betrayed the Japanese and sold his services to the British, and then betrayed them ... That's what the "white movement" consisted of. Wrangel worked for the French. (you can read his contract with the French government), Denikin with the British and Americans .... and so on.....
    Read the real documents. Do not read the myths of Western media.
     
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    Stalin built a superpower with nuclear weapons and the highest rate of industrial development in the world, under his leadership the Red Army destroyed fascism, the standard of living of the population of the USSR, despite the civil war, the intervention of foreign armies against Russia, the ruin, the Russo-Japanese war, the Russo-Finnish war , WW2, ruin .... etc.... grew several times, under the leadership of Stalin, the population of Russia became 100% literate ... etc

    What did you do that gives you the right to criticize Stalin?
     
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    Are you a supporter of the world revolution? I confess I'm surprised.
     
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    Totally agree with you.


    But I want to make a clarification. For example, Lenin and Stalin, fanatically devoted to the ideas of socialism, never denied private business. Are you familiar with Lenin's writings on NEP? He says that healthy private business is essential for a socialist society.
    Or you can read Stalin's works about the so-called "artels". Do you know that in the Stalinist USSR there were about 2 million private enterprises? They were called "artels".
    90% of furniture, clothes, footwear and many other goods produced private enterprises. Artels produced almost all household electronics (televisions, receivers, etc.) There were many artels who were engaged in science and new technologies....
    By the way, Stalin obliged all authorities to contribute in supplying the necessary materials for the artels. And strictly controlled it. Even there were special reserves of raw materials for the needs of artels.
    The only restrictions for artels - the artel could not sell finished products more than twice as much from similar state products.
    This was done to avoid cartel collusion and not to artificially raise product prices. Like now, for example, the pharmaceutical companies in the United States are doing it.
     

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