The Muslims will stop trying to kill us when ______

when Atheism rules the world, there will be nothing to stop worldwide genocide

 

Can you condemn Mohammad/Muslims/Allah for approving of giving one's children a book (Qur'an) that teaches to base a tax on what RELIGION one is, Ronstar? Can you rise to the ethical level of Modern Secular Humanists?

 

@FreedomSeeker wants MORE Muslim immigration to The West.

his words verbatim

 

LOL!!!!!

I'd be lowering myself.

I am more ethical than most Atheists.

 

No I think we have enough.

MIddle eastern muslims should concentrate on making their own countries a better place to live.

 

Speaking of genocide, our friend Ronstar doesn't seem to be able to condemn genocide, because I'm not sure he'll condemn the genocide that Allah/Mohammad/Muslims approve of in the Islamic texts:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

I condemn this Islamic call to eventual genocide of Jews, but I also condemn god/Jesus' (the Bible says Jesus IS god in many places) genocide of not only virtually all humans, but of virtually all ANIMALS, in god/Jesus' barbaric "flood". Hitler and Muslims and Christians seem to have a lot in common when it comes to being ok with genocides.

 

No, you're not, for sure, since you (I think) can't answer "yes" to this question: "Ronstar, if you had Allah/God/Jesus' aleged magic super-powers, would YOU have warned people about the Aceh Tsunami - enough so that, say, most of the 240,000 innocent victims would not have died?"

A Modern Secular Humanist would of course answer "yes!" (note the exclamation point, as we are far more caring than Christians/Muslims who my experience say can NOT generally answer "yes" to this very simple ethical question - they have no shame.)

 

I don't attack Muslims, only those who can't condemn the barbaric Islamic TEXTS. A Muslim that will condemn, say Q4:34, is fine by me, of example.

 

Great. My point is that most Muslims would NOT, repeat NOT, even condemn Mohammad for doing that - but even though you are 180 degrees OPPOSITE most Muslims on this vital issue (child rape) YOU GIVE THEM A PASS ON THIS.
You are not intellectually consistent.

 

According to the Islamic texts themselves you are correct.
But some forum members can't find the moral courage to condemn those that believe that a "rapist and a murderer" is the #1 role model of all time, hand-picked by some all-knowing entity who even created the entire universe. Those people are incapable of making moral decisions - sad really.
As a Modern Secular Humanist I can make moral decisions.

 

He was a torturer, too. Muslims today approve of torture, as well, as they won't condemn Mohammad for his torture, and also won't purge the parts of the Qur'an that says to torture you - one prescribed torture that Muslims can't condemn is in Q5:33 - CRUCIFIXION as punishment....the ultimate torture. They also can't summon the courage to condemn that very same verse for instructing Muslims to CHOP OFF HANDS. It even instructs, teaches, to CHOP OFF FEET.

A Modern Secular Humanist summons the courage to say that torture is wrong.

 

So you'd shoot Mohamamad in the head? If so, then why would you DEFEND people who DEFEND Mohammad's pedophilia in the Islamic texts?
"The angel brought down my likeness; the Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 7

 

Good post.
"Tolerate" means we have to live as Dhimmi status. As people learn more about the barbaric treatment of Dhimmis over the centuries, they will realize that living under Islamic rule is about as bad as living under the Nazis. Institutionalized discrimination, based on which imaginary friend in the sky one believes in. Insane.

 

He is also the #1 role model for our enemy in this longest of all US wars, ever, with no end in sight. Yet our side refuses to condemn him.

 

sure, why not.

whatever makes you happy

 

most Atheists support waterboarding of terrorists

 

Yes, and I stick by those words 100%. So obviously, OBVIOUSLY, I don't "hate Muslims" as Ronstar believes. I want a better life for Muslims. I care about them far far more than that "Jesus" character does - that psycho will send all of them to the same place, for eternity, as he sends HITLER. Think about that. I did....and left said psycho. Will Christians condemn Jesus for the verses in the Bible that say that non-believers don't get into heaven and/or do get tossed in hell? If not, then Modern Secular Humanism is a more ethical alternative for them to consider.

 

I applaud you for that.

What would "make [me] happy" would be if you were intellectually consistent like I am and could condemn Muslims that believe that even if Mohammad DID (for argument's sake here, just to find out their ethical level, not debate whether he did or did not) have sex with a child that he's still the #1 role model of all time. Can you do that? Condemning approval of pedophilia should not be an ethically hard thing to do.

 

condemning Muslims instead of polite, friendly suggestions of how to moderate their faith, will make them defensive and even more extreme.

you're clearly more interested in trolling/flamebaiting Muslims

 

I'm a Modern Secular Humanist, not like, say, Fidel who is a totalitarian/socialist warlord who clearly approved of torture. Another example: I don't follow Mao's Little Red Book, either.

 

Yes, they can improve the texts of said religion, or leave Islam. Two good option.

 

I dont believe you.

sounds more like you are an Atheist who wants to flamebait/troll Theists, from the safety of your private anonymous internet account

 

Thank you for promoting my beliefs.

 

oh, i think your beliefs are horrible.

promoting more Muslim immigration while rudely and arrogantly attacking them and their faith, is a recipe for more terrorism.

 

If the texts of their religions were actually from "god", then it would be very very hard to even attempts to, say, "flamebait/troll" their followers. I back up my claims with poll,s and usually the verses themselves, etc. I don't just make this stuff up. You seem to have more problem with me POINTING OUT that their Christian/Muslim texts say to KILL GAYS than with the texts themselves! Please care about gay people more than you do - enough to condemn Christians/Muslims for giving their impressionable young children texts that say to kill innocent people.