The NRA has figured out what ...

all the psychiatrists since Sigmund Freud haven't been able to figure out, i.e., if you go on a shooting rampage you are automatically insane and not fit to own a gun anymore. Simple as pie. One second you're perfectly sane and a friend of Wayne's, the next second you're a homicidal maniac leaving combat bootprints in the blood.

 

The NRA's backers won't be able to sell you any more guns once you've been charged, I suppose. I still think they should always be charged as accessories.

 

What other choice is there? One is not insane ntil one demonstrats insanity. Do you advocate removing constitutional rights on the whim of a bureaucrat?

 

They charge bar owners as accessories if their patrons leave drunk and have an accident. At least there are such laws on the books.

 

That's a tough question, but so far the NRA is blocking medical records from being used to determine sanity. Maybe we should advocate removing constitutional rights on the whims of psychiatrists.

 

According to the NRA....I can have an arsenal in my home rivalling a military outpost in Afghanistan, talk about the Government coming to get me in wild raving rants, shoot at targets that look like BATF agents or kids in a playground if want.....

but it's "fascism" if somebody says "Can we see your ID and see if you've ever been in prison" before selling me that machine gun.


And if I shoot up a kindergarten, they'll claim that it was playing "Duke Nukem" that did it to me and anybody who says differently wants to "take away your gun so they can impose a dictatorship."


And these guys can't figure out why they're not popular ...outside of the Rightwing Echo Chamber?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

Please point out a mass shooter who hasn't been diagnosed with some kind of mental problem?

 

Only you would think that someone that goes on a killing spree is normal.

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LOL, the NRA does not make law or enforce law. FAIL.

 

Well, the NRA isn't blocking the medical records from being used, as much as the mental illness lobby. It is very clear in the law that anybody that has been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital cannot own a gun. To lose a right, per the 5th amendment, due process is involved. The decision of a single psychiatrist is not due process. The decision of a psychiatrist in conjunction with a judge, with the right of the accused to have legal counsel, is due process. It's amazing to me how eager some are to eliminate basic civil rights.

Edit: NRA actually advocates a national database of the mentally ill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/

 

According to your rights you can buy what you want. It's called being free.

You also display a complete lack of knowledge about current laws.

 

Nope, the NRA was in favor of the Brady Background check law. They didn't oppose it, as long as it contained a future instant check.

Also, under existing law (since 1934), buying machine guns legally has required a major background check by the FBI that includes fingerprinting.

They are popular enough to be one of the most coveted endorsements to have in red states and rural areas of blue states.

 

Or as Joe Scarborough likes to phrase it, the Echo Chamber of Resentment.

What is lacking in rightwinger lives that they have to resent everything?

 

And why wouldn't anyone resent having their rights trampled by the authoritarian progressives?

 

Actually, all they are doing is fighting the random and permanent bit of proposals...If a system is established that allows folk falling under the bureaucrats notice to appeal to an actual medical source, then most of the problems go away. They idea someone prescribed anti depressants decades ago and is banned from his right forever is a real problem to gun owners.

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No one can sell or buy a machine gun withut a LOT of expensive chacking and licensing...If your position involves stuff simply not so, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

 

Let's face it, shall we, you were resentful first, then you had to conjure up reasons to rationalize your resentment. What 'rights' have you lost since, say, Eisenhower, other than those rights that you had acquired by taking them away from others?

You're like the 4-year old with one toy whose 3-year old cousin from Milwaukee is visiting.

 

So the kid who pulls wings off birds and locks himself in a closet with a flashlight, a box of kleenex, and the most recent edition of "Guns and Ammo" is NOT a problem to gun owners?

 

Only you would thing that someone who goes on a killing spree is perfectly normal up until the second he pulls the trigger.

How infantile can you get? I bet you believe that the NRA donates $millions to campaigns and has one the largest lobbies in DC just so they can have their pictures taken with congressmen. How amusing.

 

SUBMIT!....we, your intellectual superiors, know how to better allocate your money and industriousness, and wield the cattle prod to herd you towards more "fair", "equal" and "socially just" outcomes.......

your natural rights, liberties and economic freedoms be dammed.

 

In almost every case there are signs that are ignored usually by family and friends but for the most part doctors and law enforcement are fully aware of the individuals inclinations, but nothing is done about it until they go off the deep end.

 

Guns mix just fine with most people. The 1 glaring anomaly with any mass shooting is always the same...mental disorders. So which is a more sane option? Remove guns from EVERYONE or just prevent those with mental disorders from obtaining them easily?

 

I've seen several gun dealers who refuse to sell to anyone who clearly displayed unsafe practices or an absolute lack of familiarization of the use and proper handling of a firearm. They will offer them guidance and training to be sure they are not a threat to the public, but it would be just as irresponsible to hand them a gun show them how to use it take their money and turn them lose on the public. Unfortunately all do not.

It's a little harder to determine the mental state of a person than to visually determine they have had way too much to drink. The logic of average gun grabber is mind blowing. Reminds of that joke Bill Cosby told about 'hoof and mouth'. They (the gun grabbers) believe all gun owners are like the cowboys depicted at the beginning of the joke, while they themselves "are" the obliviously naive foolish individuals who trust everything their masters (the government in the gun grabbers case) as they are being led to the slaughter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaSsAm5j05M

 

I saw the same at a gun show, pre-background check (about 1989). The gun dealer didn't like the way the guy was handling the pistol he wanted to buy. Something about the potential customer's attitude worried the dealer. I heard him say something like "I'm not going to sell you a gun. You look like you're intending trouble."

 

They can sell you guns all they want, at gun shows, since private individuals are not required by laws to do any form of background check. The NRA pushed for this exemption for years so they can sell guns to felons who agree with the ideals.

 

Actually, private individuals are not allowed to have access to background checks. Do you want Joe Blow next door to be able to run a background check on you at will?

Gun dealers at gun shows are required to perform background checks.

The NRA pushed for this because under current law, the only way to require universal background checks is to do it through licensed gun dealers. Criminals still won't do background checks, and the law-abiding will be required to pay to transfer firearms to their adult children, for example.

 

To remove guns from EVERYONE would mean removing guns from ME. To prevent those with mental disorders from obtaining guns is a nice construct, but it means we ain't gonna do anything.